 Re: How many commands should a 10 month old know?
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#402580 - 12/08/2016 05:44 PM |
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Where I live near a river in the Pacific Northwest there is a deadly canine disorder called Salmon Sickness. A protozoan parasite carries a bacteria this is found in Salmon. Any time a dog finds a dead salmon, (salmon die after breeding), or where a fisherman has cleaned and gutted a fish, if the dog eats or even licks it they can be dead in two weeks. This is why the LEAVE IT command is so important. Because the exposure is food based, I, who do not believe in using food as a reward and do not wish to use it, will be using the regimen which I have posted above. What do trainers think of this method? Is there a better way? If a dog has been seen to be exposed the treatment is a course Febendazole and tetracycline as prescribed by a vet.
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Re: How many commands should a 10 month old know?
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#402581 - 12/08/2016 10:43 PM |
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If any method works for dog and handler and the dog's drive doesn't suffer then it's good in my book.
I've used numerous methods over the yrs and titled dogs in numerous venues.
Bottom line - If you and the dog are happy and successful then go for it!
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Re: How many commands should a 10 month old know?
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#402584 - 12/08/2016 11:16 PM |
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Inga is 10 months old and she knows 25 commands.
We started when Inga was 6 weeks old with Don Sullivan's methods and equipment. The reward is praise and play, not becoming a Treat Dispenser.
Yes, I get the "semantical gargon" that is commonly used by trainers, no problem with it -- Bob and others have already addressed the Proper use of Treats & How to Wean off them & the Value of RANDOM Rewards of whatever kind in order to prevent "Treat Dependency" (funny that I don't recall any concern over "tug dependency", LOL) ... If a dog will NOT obey unless the handler has some toy or treat or tug on them while issuing any command, then that is NOT about being a "Treat Dispenser", but rather about a misunderstanding of Reward Based Training WITH Eventual introduction of Consequences for non-compliance, and how to AVOID ending up with a dog who Refuses to Work at will, IMHO.
All just my 2 cents worth as only a pet owner, of course, and not meant to start a debate with expert trainers, Duane 
"Only a pet owner"
Bad, BAD girl!  
I've seen so called "trainers" that aren't worth a crap because they train "because that's how I was taught to do it".
Doesn't mean they truly understand the "why" of what they are doing.
I occasionally rag on "pet owners" but that's because of what I see them letting the dogs get away with simply because they don't know better and refuse to take suggestions because "fluffy could never do that".
I highly suspect your a quantum leap above that.
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Re: How many commands should a 10 month old know?
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#402588 - 12/09/2016 09:37 AM |
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Inga is 10 months old and she knows 25 commands.
We started when Inga was 6 weeks old with Don Sullivan's methods and equipment. The reward is praise and play, not becoming a Treat Dispenser.
Yes, I get the "semantical jargon" that is commonly used by trainers, no problem with it -- Bob and others have already addressed the Proper use of Treats & How to Wean off them & the Value of RANDOM Rewards of whatever kind in order to prevent "Treat Dependency" (funny that I don't recall any concern over "tug dependency", LOL) ... If a dog will NOT obey unless the handler has some toy or treat or tug on them while issuing any command, then that is NOT about being a "Treat Dispenser", but rather about a misunderstanding of Reward Based Training WITH Eventual introduction of Consequences for non-compliance, and how to AVOID ending up with a dog who Refuses to Work at will, IMHO.
All just my 2 cents worth as only a pet owner, of course, and not meant to start a debate with expert trainers, Duane
"Only a pet owner"
Bad, BAD girl!
I've seen so called "trainers" that aren't worth a crap because they train "because that's how I was taught to do it".
Doesn't mean they truly understand the "why" of what they are doing.
I occasionally rag on "pet owners" but that's because of what I see them letting the dogs get away with simply because they don't know better and refuse to take suggestions because "fluffy could never do that".
I highly suspect your a quantum leap above that.
I'm one of those Old Cranks who USED TO think that Training with Food turned dogs into "treat tramps" -- But THANKS to Leerburg and this Board, I learned the RIGHT way to do Marker Training, beginning with food rewards ... Now I've even managed to convert my grown son into "the program" (no easy feat) !!!
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Re: How many commands should a 10 month old know?
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#402589 - 12/09/2016 10:48 PM |
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"Old cranks"
To this day my kids will ask me "Where was all this motivational training when we were growing up".
I never "spared the rod" with any of my kids or dogs but I have to say my grand kids get away with murder around me.
They seem to have an excellent grasp on operant conditioning with me. 
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Re: How many commands should a 10 month old know?
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#402598 - 12/11/2016 05:53 AM |
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Well, it's obvious, the must have studied Skinner behind your back!
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Re: How many commands should a 10 month old know?
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#402599 - 12/11/2016 06:06 AM |
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Melissa, sorry I read your comment only now. I'm convinced, the "leave it" command is an abolutely important one. I do train my dogs for this too. You should see all that awful mess lying about around here. I have always to watch where my dogs sniff and use that command immediately when it's unclean. I also don't allow to take food from the floor nor from any stranger.
Additionally this command is not only useful for this purpose, I can also use it for toys, tools they should not aproach, other dogs on a walk, certain guests and so nn.
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Re: How many commands should a 10 month old know?
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#402600 - 12/11/2016 06:05 AM |
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sorry, no idea where my post has disappeared to!
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Re: How many commands should a 10 month old know?
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#402608 - 12/12/2016 11:31 AM |
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Treat dispenser is an altogether separate topic and has nothing to do with bribery. Being a "treat dispenser" means either that the dog has figured out that some behaviors are rewardable and offers behaviors constantly in a quest for a treat, or that the only value that the handler has for the dog is as the dummy who hands out treats when the dog does something that the dog believes is rewardable.
Working for payment does not mean that the payment is a bribe.
There is no difference between a trainer who bribes with food and a trainer who bribes with a tug. A lot of trainers use reward-based training while refusing to use food as a reward. They are too shortsighted to realize that reward is reward and that a dog who will only perform a tug or a toy is no different from one that has to be bribed with food.
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Re: How many commands should a 10 month old know?
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#402609 - 12/12/2016 01:29 PM |
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Treat dispenser is an altogether separate topic and has nothing to do with bribery. Being a "treat dispenser" means either that the dog has figured out that some behaviors are rewardable and offers behaviors constantly in a quest for a treat, or that the only value that the handler has for the dog is as the dummy who hands out treats when the dog does something that the dog believes is rewardable.
Working for payment does not mean that the payment is a bribe.
There is no difference between a trainer who bribes with food and a trainer who bribes with a tug. A lot of trainers use reward-based training while refusing to use food as a reward. They are too shortsighted to realize that reward is reward and that a dog who will only perform a tug or a toy is no different from one that has to be bribed with food. |
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