Scott, I put you under the Puppy Topic.

I appreciate all the input from others here. My GSD female is an alpha female towards dogs (except towards our Shih-Tzu and an 13 yr. old min. Dachsund that lived with us for 3 wks.), and an absolute gem with babies, kids, adults. No rank issues at all. I really found it reassuring to read of everyone else's dogs' behavior. I, too, have found that she won't "outgrow" this, but will obey me on leash without problem. For a long time I thought it must have been something I did/didn't do in her training but have come around full circle during the last 2.5 years to realize it is innate. We're getting an e-collar for off leash training in this area. Thanks, everyone. I learn so much from all of you.

Thanks?

Well, I am sorry that I moved your post Scott. I am...I just thought that since your topic was about a intensely submissive dog that was being dominated by other dogs and I was posting about my aggressive/dominant dog that there would be two topics. I did not mean to say that your topic is unworthy or wrong for being here. I just would think that replying to your topic and then keeping this this topic would lead to topic confusion. I am sorry to attempting to try and stop this before it started by giving you your very own topic thread. That way you could stay to your situation and receive all of the attention and information that you need. If you need to post here...it is an open thread. I will be more than happy to keep my typing to myself. No disrespect was intened. I am sorry. I apologize.

Just yankin your chain, relax.

Mieta,
I too have a similar problem with my AKITA. I moved from the subburbs out to my house in the
woods. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

I had a 20ft x 20ft kennel built. This did not solve the biggeast problem, STRAYS (dogs and cats)Snakes,Possums's and Racoons are another problem
I then put up a 6ft wooden priviacy fence around all but the section facing the road. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" /> If it came into the fenced yard, it didn't leave. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

So bottom line answer: You need a kennel and it should have a secure premeiter fence that will keep out strays. This will at least give you the satisifaction of knowing you did all you could. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> Inform your neighbors.

You will not be able to redirect your dogs behaviour at this age. Some may say you can but I doubt it. Positve reinforcement in my opinion would be a waste of time. Sorry but it's too late.

Only last resort would be BACK TO THE PRONG or E-COLLAR. Then with proper corrections you may lessen her behaviour. Completly change it never. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

I have been there and as most have said, we learn to live with our dogs behaviour problems.

Give the PRONG a second chance or find someone knowledgeable with the E-Collar. It sounds like you dogs deserves it.
Keep the Board posted as to results or problems.
Good luck,

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Well I hate to be the bad guy here.. but WTF. I had this problem as well except it was with humans and dogs, he was just a nasty dog that way... he was a picture of perfection in every other aspect..and the best dog I ever had.

He got the needle and I got another dog, plain and simple...I still tear up thinking of all the good times we had but you can only fret so much and by the looks of it you have fretted enough for about 5 or 6 dogs worth. Do yourself a favor him a favor and your comunity a favor. Put your time and energy into a good dog. He will be on the rainbow bridge waiting for you when you get there.

My female is very dominant and I have had dog aggression issues in the past w/ her.With alot of work she is much better, and I do feel that alot of her aggression was a combo of bluff and play.....that said, I have a question re: correction.

I hear alot to correct the snot out of the dog, roll the dog,level 10 correction etc, etc.

Well, how do you do that to a strong dog if you are not very strong yourself?

I say this because I have never been very strong as far as upper body strength goes and I have tried with all of my might on occasion to administer a strong correction, but I have never felt that my dog was as affected as I thought she should have been.

It brings to mind the saying about 1 good correction being worth 1000 nagging ones.For this reason I feel that in certain situations Bella does not respect my "knock it off" directive. She knows that she is stronger than me.

I eventually put on an e-collar, but haven't used it lately.I am not sure, but can one of those be used for strong corrections in aggressive situations?

Also, are you guys saying that if you correct a dog very strongly, that they may turn around and attempt to bite you(the handler)?

What do you do then? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

Jeannette,
You need to have some strenght but not atheletic.has to be quick and sharp. I'm6fT And weigh 300#'s. Still the correction is a quick and sharp snap on the leash.

You may have a problem with correcting your dog if it attempt to bite you after giving a hard correction.( your size)

The correction level then goes off the scale. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" /> Alas it has to be done!

Find a trainer who can perform the correction for you. The trainer may be able to correct your dog without it trying to get a bite. ^This will be less stressful on you and your dog. The e-collar should work if used by a knowledgeable trainer.
Good luck! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Well. I wanted to post this and hopefully my two little ones will give me five minutes to do so. Jackie, the dog, and I had a long talk. As usual she just listened and I came to the conclusion that I am going to kick her butt, or, feed her a steak dinner and take her for the ride.

I am moving so, after I sen dmy children to bed I quickly try and do all those things that you can't do during the day. I needed to run some items to the garage. Jackie needs to come with me because if the racoons come up in the back yard she will bark in the house and surely wake the kids. I tied her out and made my way moving things between the porch and garage. I was acutly aware of any possible late night dog walkers, and here they came.

I walked over to Jackie just as she went into full code red. I grabbed her by the chest front shoulders and picked her up, turned her and gave her a good sqeeze while it all happened. I stayed absolutely sure of myself and firmly, without yelling, commanded 'leave it' all the while staring her down when she would look my way. I must have stood there saying leave for some time but I repeated it each time she tried to look at the dogs passing by. It must have lloked great because the people passing by made sure they yelled " you don't have to be so cruel" as they passed. Jackie never yelped, but she gave a slight whine and changed direction towards me by the time that I had concluded that she could handle herself.

People...if you could have seen the look on my dogs face you would have busted out laughing. She never once ran forward to see where the dogs were or went. She never even tried for a scent. Not a scent! I told her to stand and that is exactly what she did without looking away from ME. Man, her ears were just all twisted trying to recover from what just happened.

I had to keep control of my emotions. I wanted to reach down and scratch her and give her all of that fluffy puppy love kind of goo goo hugging but I remained strong.

She was beyond baffled. She was no longer herself. She was without foundation.

For the next ten trips or so back to the garage, Jackie kept her eyes, ears, and feet in my direction!!! Unheard of!!!

At the end, when I was finished, she went for the door, and, waited for me first, without command. She then waited to go upstairs, without command.
If you have ever potty trained a child, then you know how excited and how wonderful she responded.

I am crazed about doing this again!!! I know that she has not been cured but, darn, did she have a life changing moment to think about!!!!

A gave her some good girlies and she went to bed!!

Hell have no fury!!! So true.

CRABTREE:

Thank you for the kennel information. Being out in the woods you sound like you had the kind kennel problems that I might have. I will keep your information in my brain. Thanks.

<<<To ad to the earlier post. My dog weighs about 80 pounds. I can stand her up or roll her. Other than my body weight, I have no real strength. I rely on my voice. But, to each their own. Some people I know buy harness collars that go around the body of the dog. You can pull up on the harness for attention. I would worry about owning a dog that could each you for breakfast.>>>