Quote: betty landercasp

Here's a funny related story: A year ago my sale calves caught this ringworm -from some ancient grooming tools.Can't take them to the fancy state sale with ringworm. So I'm going to Walgreens once a week buying the vaginal yeast infection clotrimazole which is a 3% concentration instead of the athelete's foot dope which is 1%. I'm buying 4 or 5 tubes of the stuff at a time. You should have seen the looks on the faces of the clerks! They didn't even want to touch my credit card! I had to alternate Walgreens...
"It's for the CALVES -- yea, right, lady!"

A muzzle covers the area that needs to be treated.
He has my undivided attention all my waking hours. He has travelled to Florida, California, Colorado, Arizona. My family loves him. I am not certain how to earn his respect, but I am not giving up, not even close. This is MY DOG.
Will put a lid on negative talk,and just appreciate any help offered.
Thank you.
GREAT FOOTBALL TODAY imho

 Quote: betty landercasp

GREAT FOOTBALL TODAY imho

Yep!! From a diehard Packer fan ... "The Bears STILL SUCK!!!"


As for a muzzle, I once used a sock tied around a dog's muzzle briefly so that I could work on it's face... It wasn't tied tight, just enough so he couldn't get his mouth open to bite me. Don't know if this would work for you or not, just thought I would throw it out there.

--Kel

And after I worked so hard on making a link too! Wah, boo hoo hoo. No one even looked.

For crying out loud, it's only a strap. NOT a muzzle per se, it hardly covers anything and is adjustable towards or away from any area you please.
Though you probably won't be able to give him any toxic medication with it on.

Heck put a rink in his nose for control. Yeah, that'll do it.

Randy, I looked. I actually have a few of those, or something like it. The one I own
that fits, sort of, is a little too big.

I really appreciate your input. Seriously. Thank you.

 Quote: betty landercasp

A muzzle covers the area that needs to be treated.

It sounds like it's in kind of an ackward position but could you cover his eyes? I've found it either helps a lot or just makes them squirmy. Some dogs react better to a mesh where they can still kind of see than solid cloth. You also might try getting him to lie down on his side and using a knee placed behind his shoulder. It can make it easier to steady your hands since you don't have to hold them up in the air. Many dogs will settle because it forces them into a submissive position. Others will just get more hyped up. You know your dog best. If he makes an attempt to get out of that position most dogs will try and plant the front near side leg first. Pull that leg straight and "cage" the shoulder joint with your hand or knee behind it and they will often give up. Some will try and plant the lower leg and you can just pull it straight and rock them back onto their side. I hope this is clear. It's a lot harder to describe than show somebody.

Good luck. I've resorted to a leash muzzle when I had to move or pick up a dog that I know snaps as a temporary fix. Some of the dogs at the kennels I've worked at weren't quite the little darlings their owners thought they were.

 Quote: Connie Sutherland

You will pat yourself on the back forever for desensitizing the dog to such procedures. I (and I am sure others) would be MORE THAN happy to type out the exact steps I take for this.

On day two, we were not doing well with Echo. He’d been to the vet and was fine through three eye-invasive procedures. When we got home, we applied the first dose, very unprofessionally; his head was flinching. I got more on his nose and forehead than in his eye. Bob held his head and he was not happy. The next one was even worse.

Melissa posted a procedure very much like Cathy just explained. It definitely worked but he was traumatized. The marker method is what got us through the next 4 days. After that last application I started. On the floor with him and his favorite treats.

I stuck out my finger; he brought his nose up and touched it. Yes! Reward. We did this 3 or 4 times.

My finger went a little quicker next time and I touched the tip of his nose – Yes! Reward. Kind of a poking motion. I moved to the side touching his muzzle, up to his cheek, the bridge of nose, his forehead, his ears.

We got 4 or 5 repetitions of each in about a three minute span. End of that session.

About an hour later, we started again. Down on the floor and I stuck out my finger. He brought his nose to it. Then with the quicker motions, where I was doing the touching. This session included his eyes. Both sides of the eye, above, below, then the top and bottom eye lashes (a real party after each of these). End of that session.

The next session, I knew he’d caught onto the eye thing as he actually motioned his eye towards my fingers, almost like let’s get to the good stuff first. With Echo it happened really quickly. It was just the right piece of information I needed to change MY outlook on the process. And it was fun, for both of us. The other dogs couldn’t wait for their turn either I might add.

It’s not a quick dab and run. Takes a fair amount of dedication to the process, but so worth it.

I understand completely how the marker training/desensitizing work will help in this situation. I'd like to know how others would have reacted AT THIS TIME - who say the dog got away with it.

I'm asking in all honesty - no hidden agenda. Just want to learn.

What would the experienced folks have done in this situation, given the current state of training, and knowing a muzzle would hide the area needing treatment?

ETA... Betty, your "funny story" was hysterical. Really. Not wanting to touch the credit card... LOL!!!

"At that instant" I probably would have lifted the dog by the collar (front feet only) and held it there till it relaxed (said uncle).
That's not hanging it but controlling it without to much stress on either of us.

I've had a few instances where I've done similar to what Bob posted. It's pretty simple and effective, especially with a smaller dog.


Not quite the same set of circumstances, but it shows that dogs learn quick what they can get away with. When I first got Kipp he was a kennel dog and smelled like it. He needed a bath. He squirmed and protested like crazy. No growling or teeth, but it was still like wrestling with a greased pig. I just ignored his behavior and gave him the bath. A few weeks later when he needed a second bath, he just stood there pretty calm about the whole thing. He still wasn't to thrilled with the idea, but had figured out that this is what we were doing and it wouldn't work to squirm his way out.