Okay you two attacked me so now Ill open up a can of whoop arse on you both.People like you shit me, your both non- thinkers.

Your both more concerned about your own feelings not the dogs. Whats more humane? To take the dog on a 100 kilometer drive to the vet have him wait in the room for the vet with all its strange smells, people etc , (all my dogs hate going to the vet from our chiuahas to out bullmastiff dane cross) then have a strange man stick a needle in him. Do you like getting injections?. I dont neither do most dogs.

Contrast this with how I shot these dogs, I let them out of the run and give them a bit of food on the grass, while they're munching away I quietly put the muzzle of the rifle near their head and shot them, they never knew what hit them. Whats wrong with that? I told you I wouldnt give someone else a dog I wouldnt keep myself thats why I didnt pass them on. They werent suitiable as pets or working dogs end of story.

Candy arses like you all want the large working breeds that have a good reputations, they have good reps because breeders in europe have been ruthlessly culling them for years, if it didnt do the jobs bang! a round in the head or maybe they did get the vet in. Now of course they just send them to the US to gullible suckers like you pair who think your mummy influence can make up for what the dogs genetics lack. Thats just your personal arrogance. You want to benefit from other people making hard choices and doing the right thing but you dont want to do it yourself. You damned gutless pair of hypocrites.

People like you have ruined so many breeds of dog and horses as well. If it doesnt fetch ducks, guard, work stock or what ever shoot it. If you cant ride it all day, if it kick and bites for no reason, if it wont cut cattle or pull loads sell it to the dog food company. Thats the reality of life in rural areas, I dont buy my meat from safeway on plastic trays. Next months meat is currently walking around the paddock eating grass outside the house. Thats life grow up you pair.

Ive shot about 10 dogs, numerous cattle, cut sheeps throats, lost count of how many kangaroos, wombats, feral cats, rabbits, possums. Hit orphaned lambs on the head with hammers. Thats the reality of life in rural areas both here and the USA. I dont like doing it but there it is.

If you dont like my posts dont read them, go read snowwhite or something and continue on in your fantasy world. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />

You know Brendan, the more you talk, the more clear it becomes just how sick and demented you are. The only one exhibiting any "personal arrogance" is you. Neither of us is on here bragging about acts of cruelty that we've committed. In case you haven't noticed, this is a forum for people who LIKE animals and believe in humane ways of putting an animal down if it can't be saved....and never because they weren't what you wanted. How would you like it if someone decided to shoot you because you weren't what THEY wanted? And yes, I'm just SURE that everyone out there would rather be shot in the head than get stuck with a needle. Get real. Where do you come up with this stuff?

I doubt you'd know a good dog from a bad one anyway. You're so arrogant that your idea of a bad dog is probably one that has nothing wrong with it other than the fact that it won't kiss your ass. You should be in jail or locked up somewhere where you can't harm anything else.

Obviously you've forgotten, or maybe you just don't care, that most of us are here to learn. We're not here to read the shit that you keep posting. It's completely inappropriate and I'm sure that many people do not appreciate it. If you must post horrible things like this, why don't you find a forum where there are people who are as sick as you are.

This has gotten a little off topic, but there is another side of this that should be addressed. We city folks find it hard to conceive of life in a rural area of Australia. Butchering animals for food is a way of life there. Brendan already mentioned this. I was grossed out by something I read about the preferred food for dogs being a fresh carcus. LOL It's all in where you're coming from. People have been shooting dogs & horses to put them out their misery since time began. On the other hand, there are those who will put an animal through anything just to save it's life. This is the extreme that I believe is far more cruel than the things Brendan has posted. RESCUE PEOPLE! They'll put a dog through months of rehabilitation just to say they saved its life. Then have to find a new home for a maimed, lame, blind or who knows what else animal. What's the point? Do you think if the animal had a choice, it would choose this poor quality of life? I don't! I think this is the epitome of cruelty. So it all depends on how you look at things.

I simply cant concieve how out of touch with reality and urbanised some of you people are.
Go spend some time on a farm out in Montana or the Dakotas and see how they handle things.Tell some of those crusty folks out there about you soft cock theories and see how they laugh in your face. Its not just a Australian thing.

If any of you think Im cruel or some sort of freak you havent read many of Ed (the owner of this site) posts or his other Q&A section.

Im not going to reply to any more of you dumb people. If you cant understand a bullet in the head on home territory is far less stressfull for a animal than a trip to the vet your beyond being reasoned with.

Go visit a slaughter house some time and see how distressed the cattle are as the go up the ramps to be shot, they know whats comming down. I guess you eat meat and feed meat based food to your dogs.

As far as I understand it the Germans have system where the breed warden comes to your home and tells YOU which pups to kill immediately not long after birth. They only allow 6 to a litter.

Thanks for your reasonned words of support sharon g.

Ok Brendan you said"absoloutely dont kid your self it will protect you from a physical attack. A dog like that will be looking for you to protect it not the other way around. "
I beg to differ with this statement.
I just had to put down a 10 1/2 y.o GS female
a month ago. From day one she was a "shy" dog who was intelligent/obedient and a joy to own. However, she never liked being touched or even around a lot of people other than my husband and I. I took this dog to work daily, and she would lay quietly behind my desk when customers came in, and I would tell them that Molly just didn't like to be petted, so leave her alone! About 2 years ago a couple of real jerks came in while I was there alone, and one was obviously creating a distraction by pulling a ton of brochures out of the wall racks, and the other started to go behind my desk. There was no reason for this as it was obviously off-limits and was were the cash box and blank ticket stock were kept. Molly came off the floor, neck hair up and growling, and stood her stance right in front of this idiot. Scared the s--t out of him and both he and his partner bolted out the door. That was the only time in her life she showed agression, but she did it and it worked! As a young puppy she also peed when visitors tried to pet her,and showed great discomfort at meeting new people. All of her life she would just "disappear" when we had company. The dog simply didn't need any touchy-feely stuff from folks other than my husband and I.
What kind of idiot thinks that every dog out there wants to be petted by strangers, and if it doesn't like it then the dog "must" have bad genes. I don't own Shepherds because I want the social butterfly of the canine world. That a dog displays a distaste for being petted by everyone that see it should not be considered a fault, nor that the dog is weak.
I get the feeling that you would put down every dog out there except your own. Yet from your personal demeanor, I wouldn't trust any of your dogs. If your dogs are anything near as agressive and ignorant as you, thank God you live in an isolated area!

Maybe it's time for some thought to be given to the difference between "putting down" and "killing". Is there any difference -- even when the adjective "humanely" is added? I don't think so. Reasons for putting down or killing may vary and may be reason for disagreement. But killing is killing whether you call it "putting down" or not; whether you do it yourself or whether you pay someone else to do it. I have had vets put down my dying sheep and I have had to learn to kill sheep myself when necessary with a gun. I'll tell you -- it was much faster and IMO much more humane with a bullet in the brain than whan the vet did it with a needle. Sure, it would have been easier for me to have someone else do it (vet or neighbor/hunter) -- sure, I could have closed my eyes and closed my conscience. But finslly I decided it was ultimately MY responsibility to deal with my own problems -- not the vet's, not my neighbor's, not anyone else's but my own. My animals are MY responsibility and I wouldn't have them if I didn't love them or at least respect them. So when the time comes to end a life, I would like to think that I have the courage AND the respect for that life (that life that *I* am responsible for) to end that life myself. IMO THAT is responsibility; THAT is respectful; and above all -- THAT is the hard way out. Anyone who thinks it is easier to kill an animal yourself than to give it to someone else to kill has absolutely NO idea what they are talking about. Anyone who thinks a person feels anything but emptiness after killing an animal has absolutely NO idea what they are talking about. To those of you who think the needle is "humane" I say -- YOU draw the poison; YOU put the needle in the vein; YOU push the plunger; and, YOU watch and see how long it takes for the heart to stop beating afterwards.

Could I kill an animal I had an emotional attachment to if I had the choice of gun or vet? No, I couldn't. But then I believe Brandon made that distinction himself.

Maybe it's also time to think about whether we have become a society too far removed from the reality of life to actually own or work with dogs bred for their natural instincts and behavior -- most of you from what I read don't even seem to know what those instincts are for much less the meaning of the behaviors that come out of them. If we don't respect life, and that means ALL life including death -- if we only want to accept the pretty parts of life and look down our noses at the not-so-pretty parts -- if we are more interested in our own neat, tidy "image" of life more than the reality -- then maybe we shouldn't be playing with animals bred to work out of their natural instincts at all.

Thank you Ellen for your kind words of support and reason.

I hate shooting dogs and I feel terrible about it. I hate killing animals for food, I am thinking of going vegetarian. (About the only time I enjoy killing animals is feral cats and foxes after those SOBs kill my ducks and bantams). But none the less its a job to be done and I do it. I had a foal go through a fence once and rip its guts out, sat there for 4 hours with it slowly dying waiting ofr the vet to get there, he got there looked at it and then and went and got his hypo and hot shotted it. And then charged me around 400 dollars emergencey cal, out and travell time, should of just shot it myself and then i could of fed it to my dogs. Cant do that once the poison is injected. I love all my horses but thats life

Terridun, Glad to hear your dog helped you in that situation but thats not a protection dog thats a threat dog. Would it if fought to the death to protect you if the guy had said f@#k you bitch your arse is mine and took to the dog with a base ball bat, probabaly not I think. Maybe it would, but maybe isnt good enough when it comes to my saftey of the safety of the people I care about.
Once again thank you Ellen , you other soft cocks go beat on Ed over the PETA issue and his recomendations to hang dogs when needed. :mad

Brendan,

Now the truth comes out, you have a heart. Glad I changed my first impression after thinking about it. I didn't mean to imply what you do is an Australian thing. I was just pointing out how difficult it is for people to cross over from their own life style, and see things from someone else's perspective. From your description, I'd say you chose the kinder way to destroy dogs who needed to be destroyed. Just not sure I'd have what it takes to do it myself. But human life has to take priority over an animals'. If your original intention in mentioning the things you've had to do was to help some of us to face reality, I can say you really helped me. I've let a decision I had to make in the past knaw at me for ages. Now because of you and some others on this board, I think I can finally let it go. So thank you!

The issue with Brendon is not the fact that he put dogs out of their misery by shooting them, but that these dogs did not meet his needs as a superior human so he MURDERED them. Maybe one of those superior dogs you seek will put you out of your misery!
Nancy

Nancy,

We don't know that. It's an assumption. If someone says a dog is not fit as a pet or for work, and doesn't want to go into detail about it, why not give him the benefit of the doubt. He doesn't owe us an explanation. And I have personal reasons for saying this that I don't want to go into either.