Re: Dog aggression
[Re: Connie Sutherland ]
#363439 - 07/02/2012 09:28 PM |
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hi Roanne, this is a great forum to learn from, the people posting CARE, they are genuinley concerned for the dogs over your feelings ( I mean that in a good way)
I suggest several of the Leerburg videos to my puppy buyers,
when I first watched the pack structure video, I said no at least 10 times, almost threw it out..... I've re watched several times, really following it, training really helps too
in my sig pic, there is a rescue girl in heat about 10 feet away in a pen, a while back I could not have a couple of my girls together
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Re: Dog aggression
[Re: Dave Owen ]
#363441 - 07/02/2012 09:36 PM |
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I should add, they are NEVER left together unsupervised
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Re: Dog aggression
[Re: Mike Arnold ]
#363444 - 07/02/2012 10:47 PM |
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I don't pretend to have answers. Just some observations based on my earned experience.
I've had mixed dog sexes in the house for a long time. At the moment, three females and one male. At various times I've had two or three females with two or three males. And I've been told that two females are a problem or two males are a problem.
My experience is simply this, if I set zero tolerance rules for nose to nose stuff or dominance exhibitions, that they seldom act out. If my rules and boundaries are consistently reinforced they are followed. And the mutts seem happier and livelier.
If I allowed the current four mutts too much license in their interaction, I'd have a mess on my hands. And I want my rules followed when I'm not around. I figure that since there is no blood on the floor, the furniture is not overturned, stuff isn't chewed or otherwise destroyed, that they must be coexisting according to my rules.
At the very first hint of an issue I act. It can be a terse 'hey' or it can be a nudge with the drop-dead command 'NO.' The mutts have great freedom that could lead to issues but my every moment attitude is my rules are MY rules.
Vigilance is my obligation. It is especially so when a foster comes into the bunch. I expect all the dogs to interact without posturing or dominance. Playing is fine unless I even think a dog is getting a little too into the play, and then the 'hey' or an 'enough' seems to refocus all the dogs.
Younger dogs need a little more direct attention if they are acting out and testing the waters or if they are more timid and subordinate tending. I have never been fond of bullies of any kind, and certainly not in my dog bunch. So I work to minimize attitudes between mutts.
Dogs are dogs and dogs have moments but I am of the opinion that with the rules well reinforced, those moments are brief and don't rise to the level of conflict, more like 'I have a headache and leave me alone' moments.
I've had dogs that a raised voice gets their full attention and response to commands, and I've had dogs that you feel like snatching them bald headed, and both extremes have adapted to my rules and interact with each other without serious incidents. But it don't be get'n done that way over night. Every day consistent reinforcement of rules. Consistent reinforcement of the rules. Consistent reinforcement of the rules.
Two of my tests for good interaction has to do with dogs not going to another dog's food bowl, and a dog waiting until a toy is abandoned to claim it. I expect my mutts to demonstrate restraint and respect in re the other dogs, to put it in human terms.
The dogs own nothing. Their mats, toys, schedules, meals, constitutionals, whatever are on my terms. And their ears are up, tails are wagging, play and prey drives high, excitement abounding, yadda, yadda, yadda. And they even stay out of my wife's garden.
Another one of my useless epistles. I really type too fast.
Well said Mike.
Cassy & Leo enjoying a nap.
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Re: Dog aggression
[Re: Ben McDonald ]
#363514 - 07/04/2012 10:56 AM |
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I am working on Stella's obedience....She is learning to ignore certain situations. I also have her enrolled in CGC classes and is doing great. They are still kept separate and will stay that way till I get them both trained. I am also working on them together at the gate where they like to fight with food to help them ignore each other which they do. I only do this for a few minutes at a time. I really appreciate all the suggestions and have been coming back here to read the post over and over. They still seem not to like each other though. They get plenty of socialization separate..
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Re: Dog aggression
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#363515 - 07/04/2012 12:18 PM |
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"I am also working on them together at the gate where they like to fight with food to help them ignore each other which they do."
Could you detail this? It sounds like an avoidable and bad situation to have them together with food. Any food.
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Re: Dog aggression
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#363537 - 07/04/2012 10:55 PM |
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Roanne,
I have very little dog advice to offer. I think the training you are doing with Stella is stellar but your goal of having her and her Mom get along....... is it really necessary?
Please do not take this as flip or disrespectful but if you could switch your goal to; having all the dogs take their lead from you and not worry so much about their interactions with one another you might find yourself in a place where the majority of all yours and the dogs needs are met.
My non dog advice question is this: have you ever done a seating plan for a wedding? Sometimes seperation is the wise and right answer. If it is a viable solution for our families why should we expect more from our dogs?
With that being said; realize this advice comes from someone who prefers the easy way out.
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Re: Dog aggression
[Re: Sheila Buckley ]
#363720 - 07/09/2012 01:46 PM |
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Hmmmm very interesting....I have been keeping them separated without many problems and it will stay this way for at least the near future. My long term goal is to have them at least be able to walk past each other and not react...This would be great. I go camping often and would love to be able to take the 3 of them together. Right now not possible. I just have a hard time figuring out why they can go on walks side by side but can't look at each other at home. Anyway thank you very much for the advice and my plans are to keep them separate for now.
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Re: Dog aggression
[Re: Connie Sutherland ]
#363722 - 07/09/2012 01:50 PM |
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They show no reaction to each other if I feed them treats together. Even if they are touching each other all they are interested is the food. If one dropped the food or missed it they would not even fight. I have though backed away from this for awhile till I can figure out why they react so horrible with each other at home. I just don't get it.
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Re: Dog aggression
[Re: Dave Owen ]
#363723 - 07/09/2012 01:53 PM |
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The biggest problem with the one video is keeping them in their crate for a few weeks without any interaction with us or other dogs. That is so hard to do when we have been loving her for so long. It is a very hard part of training even though very necessary. Thanks Dave
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