David, Dennis and all

Thats what I like about this board, the water so deep around here if you don't watch where you step you can drown.

Its in constant motion you teach them one thing then enhance it by teaching when its appropiate then you enhance that by training them to respond on their own sometimes.

Just when things, I thought were going well.
I write to check his responce thinking at least one person would agree with my simple dog- training friend who said the reaction they gave should be enhance with a praise.

Now I find that there is a sea of training that needs to be done in reaction and action training (Goodguy-Badguy training). One persons pond is another persons mud puddle (meaning there is so much to learn). Sometimes I feel like I'm chasing my tail or trying to stay update with computer technology, the more I find out, the more I know I have to learn. I'm swimming up stream, but i'm gonna make it.

If I take the stick the person can walk with me to our porch and stand among them. Is it common that they will sometimes grab the stick and chew on it some, after its dropped? The sneaking female does this. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Thanks

Don't worry david,

Unless you stop and say, "Hey I have seen this tail before you will be fine." <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

If you run into a snag with GG-BG training, I will be glad to talk about it. I think David will have a few things to add too. It seems he has done some of thisa before and another link on the leash seldom hurts.

Sorry DON I said David

Don't worry Don AND why not David too, <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

Unless you stop and say, "Hey I have seen this tail before." you will be fine. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

If you run into a snag with GG-BG training I will be glad to talk about it. I think David

Why do you suppose she grabs the stick and chews on it after they or I drop it??? Is this a temperment problem or is it still just puppy play, she is about 2 yrs old Rottie/pit. Is she still seeing this a the prey item or is she remembering this thing use to hit me??? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

The GSD could care less about the stick unless its in hand and heading our way. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

When Ive seen this is was part of the prey drive.I just made sure that I got the attention focused on the sleeve by presented a good pitcure of the sleeve(not feeding) and by back tieing and building the desire for the sleeve with misses ofcourse when doing this you dont want to feed the sleeve and yank it back,you just want to create a nice target and draw it in to you at the last second.I guess you already know that!

So this is left over prey drive, just as if you threw the sleeve down. They would want to toss that around some. So I should re-direct her when we are on the training field. What do I do when we are not on the field or the equipment is not out/available? She does this sometimes, after the incident explained has happen.

The assoicates picks up a stick just because, and for no reason. The stick could be newspaper size - 6ft, anything smaller gets no rise accept they just watch them. Once I tell the person, if you drop the stick they will shutdown. After he drops the stick/news paper in the yard the Rottie/pit bitch will get it and throw it in the air and start chewing on it. Is this prey drive or a problem that I need to address? We are not on a practice field.

Sound like the same after attack she would pull on the vaccumm cleaner once it was off and no one was watching.

Im not as wise as some people on this board and I need to see things and go with instincts.But just by going what youve said Im wondering if your dog is prey driven,or how much defense the dog has in it.I havent worked much with Rotts but a coincedence is I once had a Rott lab mix.Looked just like a black Rott. tail docked and everything.He use to behave the same way.If someone picked something up like a ruler or yard stick,he was ready to go to work.I never worried about it because his obedience was great.If I saw him looking with that look in his eye Id just say down and he wouldnt move.I use to do alot of good guy bad guy training with him.I could turn him on like a switch and turn him off too,well atleast put him in a down and keep him under control.I also taught him an "ook" wich means when he was down Id say "ook" and he would put his head on the ground between his front paws.That way I could control what he was looking at,or not looking at.If he wants the whip during bite work Id stop using it for awhile and get his attention focused on the sleeve.If your concern is his actions when not doing bitework its back to control again.Id say the stick/paper in the hand of a friend is just like saying game is on.He probably loves the game.So go back to good guy bad guy training and different scenarios and work on control.

That sound like very good advice, I know that this kind of advice could cost plenty on a open market. You seem to versed in a lot fields and you know what you are doing. Even when the technique is unpopular but effective you express how it works for you. That sounds wise to me, of course everything is relative.

So it maybe that she loves playing the game so much that she sees the stick and want to go for it. I wonder why the GSD, doesn't act like this? Maybe it is a breed, thing like you said.

Thanks for the advice I try some of the GG-BG scenrios that you and Dennis mentioned it sounds like fun. Kinda like civil work with control and frustration release. Thanks I'll see what I can set up. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />