I am understanding now and she does usually comply, but will try work on a vid

Pisa is 4mo 1week old, and have been marker training from first day I got her 8w1d

so to complicate things,
#1 saying nope when she wanders to something I don't want her in, then marking when she leaves it and treating when she gets to me missuse of the "nope" ?

#2 and I thought that nope was for marker training and I will use a different word for corrections ie; nein

 Quote: ana kozlowsky

Ignoring corrections could get very dangerous with a Rott. The OP seems to have a very nice drivey pup. He has already received his share of not-so-good/will-bite-you-on-the-ass advice in other threads.

Let's not put him another 6 months behind in his training?

My first try with markers was with my mastiffs, the book I got was based on clicker training and was written by an english grad who never had a dog(complicated wording, no dog sence..imo) so that caused problems,

got advise to make good pullers(we cart) to let them pull on leash when small, they got big and drug us around on leash, 30 feet on my back once..

went to a trainer, got more bad advise(wave a hat in front of the dog when it pulls on leash stuff like that) had face halters for a bit

in desperation got a web book, something about a loose leash in 10 min?? my poor dogs, we followed the "advise to a T" for three weeks ran when they pulled, actually bent the loops on choke chains, but it must have worked, they were now decent dogs,

sadly I now know from what I've learnt here they are reactive dogs and really harmed our relationship

I really am trying, and am humbled by how ignornant I was, and worse yet, how unclear the details are now
I was totally screwed before I got leerburg info, and with out knowledgable advise will be left at screwed

 Quote: dave owen

#1 saying nope when she wanders to something I don't want her in, then marking when she leaves it and treating when she gets to me missuse of the "nope" ?

Ideally, for the training session to be effective the pup will be engaged with you and want whatever you have as a reward more than she wants to go check out something else over in the corner. NOT always easy to obtain with a young dog, but it is where you want to be.

In the situation you described above when the dog wandered off, you said nope, it turned around, etc... had you given a command prior to her wandering off? If so, NO, I would not mark and reward for her turning around unless you had given a command to "come" and she responded to that command. The reason (in my mind) is that if you've given a command, she ignores it and walks off, then gets rewarded for doing something else without a command - she is learning the first command has no meaning or tht it can be ignored.

If my dog is not into training at a particular time, I end on a "happy note" (revert to something he knows well and end on a YES! and a treat) and then call it quits for a while.

Train in as non-distracting an area as you can at first.

Train when your pup is hungry.

Use REALLY yummy treats; something he doesn't get at any other time... even if it smells gross to you.

I don't train new behaviors with giving a command at first. I train the behavior and THEN give it a name. (Does this make sense?)

Just incase this was missed when you were first learning about markers, you want to begin the session with something along the lines of "are you ready? are you ready?" to get the dog excited about what you are getting ready to train. It might not seem to make much difference at first, but I promise that eventually your pup will "click into training mode" when he hears those words.

If you can get your wife to take a short video of a training session, that would be great. Good to see you trying so hard to do this correctly Dave! Lucky pup!