Here is our 5 minute video on the First Ever position change session and a bit of environmental reward at the end of the session.
Even though you can click for back feet staying still, I want to train for front feet staying still. This is what they look for in obedience ring even though technically the back feet fixed method is just as valid.

I was unable to train in a calm place. My basement was being painted and I could not train there. I was forced to train on my walk way and I tried to make the best out of a bad situation.


I WOULD BE GRATEFUL FOR YOUR GUIDANCE ON THIS:
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I put the dog in the box and train just the mechanics with a lot of rewards and I click for all the position changes in one session. Eventually my dogs see the box and know that there are only 3 rewarding positions inside it (sit stand and down ) . I wait for them to offer (after a few months of box work ) and then I put the behaviour on cue.

Eventually it looks like what Kaiser is doing in the video.

(My boy Kaiser is no more )

THIS IS A METHOD I MADE UP because I did not know how else to do it. Is there a better way of doing this? I need front feet stationary in positions.

Ram


SADHA - FIRST BOX WORK SESSION

KAISER BOX WORK - I MISS MY BOY

 Quote: Ramachandran Subramanian

Here is our 5 minute video on the First Ever position change session and a bit of environmental reward at the end of the session.
Even though you can click for back feet staying still, I want to train for front feet staying still. This is what they look for in obedience ring even though technically the back feet fixed method is just as valid.

I was unable to train in a calm place. My basement was being painted and I could not train there. I was forced to train on my walk way and I tried to make the best out of a bad situation.


I WOULD BE GRATEFUL FOR YOUR GUIDANCE ON THIS:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I put the dog in the box and train just the mechanics with a lot of rewards and I click for all the position changes in one session. Eventually my dogs see the box and know that there are only 3 rewarding positions inside it (sit stand and down ) . I wait for them to offer (after a few months of box work ) and then I put the behaviour on cue.

Eventually it looks like what Kaiser is doing in the video.

(My boy Kaiser is no more )

THIS IS A METHOD I MADE UP because I did not know how else to do it. Is there a better way of doing this? I need front feet stationary in positions.

Ram


SADHA - FIRST BOX WORK SESSION

KAISER BOX WORK - I MISS MY BOY

"THIS IS A METHOD I MADE UP because I did not know how else to do it. Is there a better way of doing this? I need front feet stationary in positions."


Ram, I'm bumping this because I have so much work to do but want to remember to take the time to watch this, and hoping other marker folks will watch and help too.

Ram, in teaching the down are you feeding the dog as its going down and then you click OR is the dog just mouthing your hand with the food on the way down?
Just curious. Feeding before the mark can be confusing to the dog, even contaminating the mark.
Guide the dog into the correct position, then mark as his elbows and butt hit the ground, then reward.
You could also put a small board across the front and back of the two guide boards to 'confine" the dog. Those could be easily be take out later on.
She drops back a bit on her down so be careful where you put the back board. That could startle her when she goes down if she hits it.
I admire your perseverance to train with such distractions. Ideally those would be something to build up to but that's not always possible.

He is just trying to get to the food. I have it in my palm and do not let him get to it till I click.
Yesterday was his first day inside the box and I wanted to keep the experience highly rewarding.

Yes, I have to deal with the distractions. If I want to train in a place with no distractions, I cannot leave home. That is the way my city is.

4 min 30 sec video . Second day of box work


SADHA BOX WORK DAY 2


Today we did our box work with no treat in my hand. I was too keen to show off my hand to the camera and in the process made a few clicking mistakes.
I am still using very very big physical cues(luring) . I hope to fade it gradually. Right now, I just want to get 100s of reps in so that he is familiar with the muscle movements.
Please review the video and critique.


If you notice, my boy Sadha has a little trouble with keeping his right front foot planted.
I think it may be due to a surgery he had in his elbow when he was a puppy. He had crashed into a fence and got hurt and developed a hematoma at 6 months. I tried non invasive treatment for a few months but it got infected and had to be taken out when he was about 8 months . I am guessing he must have lost a bit of mobility due to the surgery.He is 14 months now.

Sadha's Surgery

Good on not having treats in you hand. The dog has to learn to trust that the click will always bring a reward.
My two dogs' reward is the tug. In more advanced training the tug may be on a counter at the other end of the room. It could be in a different room. It may even be on the floor in plain sight. They DO learn that it WILL come with that marker.
Dogs will read our physical cues far longer and quicker then oour verbal cues. It's what they do best. One way to test that the dog truly understands the command is to turn your back when you give a command, You'll be amazed at how different a simple "sit" command is to a dog when it can't see your face. We ALL give way to many visual commands without even noticing them.
I did notice the leg. 6 months is a rough time for an injury.
I liked how you opened the "chute" when the dog was having trouble understanding how to bring it's back legs in also. You gave the dog a chance! Nothing wrong with a little luring to get the dog into the chute either.

 Quote: Bob Scott

Good on not having treats in you hand. The dog has to learn to trust that the click will always bring a reward.
My two dogs' reward is the tug. In more advanced training the tug may be on a counter at the other end of the room. It could be in a different room. It may even be on the floor in plain sight. They DO learn that it WILL come with that marker.
Dogs will read our physical cues far longer and quicker then oour verbal cues. It's what they do best. One way to test that the dog truly understands the command is to turn your back when you give a command, You'll be amazed at how different a simple "sit" command is to a dog when it can't see your face. We ALL give way to many visual commands without even noticing them.
I did notice the leg. 6 months is a rough time for an injury.
I liked how you opened the "chute" when the dog was having trouble understanding how to bring it's back legs in also. You gave the dog a chance! Nothing wrong with a little luring to get the dog into the chute either.

That "turn your back" thing was a huge eye-opener to me when I heard Bob say that a few years ago.


I have small containers of Zuke's Minis in most rooms and by the door to the yard. Of course, when markers are new to the dog, I don't leave a big time lag between mark and reward, but yes, once he knows that the marker means "reward coming" ..... it can come from anywhere and it might not be right that second.