Re: Recall/ husband problem
[Re: Candi Campbell ]
#399682 - 10/24/2015 11:21 AM |
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Candi, he's not jealous at all. He's glad I assume this job, although he promised he'd put some time in it too. but I'm used to it in between and I love doing something with my dogs. so, we will always find a way.
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Re: Recall/ husband problem
[Re: Candi Campbell ]
#399683 - 10/24/2015 11:26 AM |
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Hi Guys,
For the recall I use the command "aqui!" (Portuguese for "here!"). I use it until now only while training a recall, never when they are offline in the yard.
For the Restrained Recall I put a harness on the dog - as described in Mark's course. For the other Recall the dog is on a long line.
But now my husband uses now the command "aqui!" too, whenever he wants a dog come to him. I told him that like this he was abusing this command, he will make it meaningless for the dog, because he has the chance to decide if he wants to go on doing what is is doing at the moment or not.And running after the dog of cause makes no sense. On the long line he hasn't got that chance.
I have trained it first on a shorter line, so they can not go away very far. And then of course with the Restrained recall. Like this the learned to understand the meaning of "Aqui" as a friendly invitation to have fun together.
I have already had quite hot confrontations with my husband about this. His opinion: I'm taking these things much too seriously and that the dogs will anyway never come on command, when they have more important things to do!
Of course, when there is some too high an attraction competing with me, they will prefer this. That's why we are training. They do come to me quite reliably in a training session. They are still in a learning phase and I can add distractions only gradually.IMO, this coming, when called must through 100'000 reps become a pattern.
But when the "Aqui" looses its meaning, this will never happen. They will think: "Ok, she is near, I can still do what I want now and join her afterwards". In this way I will never be able to reach consistency and an engagement, which is stronger than the competing motivators I am working against corresponding to the dog's momentary level of tolerance.
I know, no one (except perhaps I myself) can solve this husband problem. Probably I should apply a marker training for him too. Though 4 dogs are already enough work.
But - without joke - am I so wrong with my opinion?
Any tips, tricks, advices, rat runs, opinions will be very welcome!
IMHO, it would be Much Easier for you to "work smarter NOT harder" by changing YOUR come command to !Here! or !Come! instead, and just letting your Husband carry on as he pleases (digging his heals in, just to assert himself) LOL.
candi, in this case you are wrong.If i'd change the command, he'd change it too. Not because he wants to be nasty to me, but because he get's used to what I am always using. great advise, but in our case, wouldn't work at all.
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Re: Recall/ husband problem
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#399685 - 10/24/2015 11:36 AM |
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Lol! It seems Lol, but really, this doesn't work. A dog will rapidly learn, that "aqui" is without importance. This is not a question between two people beeing of different opinions. What counts here is, that a dog gets clear commandos and not a confusion of all possible sounds, once friendly, once annoyed, once a som of almost threatening. In this manner they will catch nothing at all, they will not understand nothing.
Unless he would use his personal sounds connsistently with them. Dogs are intelligent enough to associiate this with each person. but then they would have to do this consistently, not as exception, out of momentary emotion, not as a personal momentary wish. This absolutey confuses the dogs, doesn't work in the least.
He shouts in all possible sounds and I cannot do anything against it. This cannot be the way which makes sense, make undertand them how to react.
UH-OH, then I conclude that your only viable option is DIVORCE (just kidding of course) but I live alone with my pets, so I have no advice on "How to Train a Husband"
ETA: However, there are plenty of households in which The Dogs WILL OBEY One Spouse but DISOBEY The OTHER -- And none of those dogs are at all "confused" over the Meaning of their Commands ... Canines know perfectly well WHOM They Must MIND and Whom they can Ignore, all the while distinguishing precisely between what it REALLY means when The Boss says, "!AQUI", and what it only means when the other guy says, "!Aqui!".
Candi, what you say about divorce is without doubt correct. Thanks to you I've changed my mind about killing. Even when dead he wouldn't stop to interfere!
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Re: Recall/ husband problem
[Re: Christina Stockinger ]
#399694 - 10/24/2015 11:06 PM |
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Bob, have you been marker trained? Congrats to your wife!
W2hat was the high value reward? No answer needed.
I think I was marker trained before either of us knew what it ment.
Some women just have the knack. We're still best buds after 48 yrs married.
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Re: Recall/ husband problem
[Re: Christina Stockinger ]
#399695 - 10/25/2015 05:36 AM |
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As I see, you are also a Poet, Bob! Very good!
Congrats to you 48 years of marriage.! My husband and I are now 50 years together, 44 married, 6 before we dared getting married. Not only struggling!
Years of operant conditioning make life worth living.
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Re: Recall/ husband problem
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#399696 - 10/25/2015 05:55 AM |
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If it makes you feel better I think it's probable that it will work itself out eventually.
In my house my husband or daughters will try to give Aries commands or scold him using his name in a mad tone, when I only use it to get his attention. He just ignores them. My husband likes to use it as a party trick. He'll tell Aries to do something over and over to no avail then I will quietly give him the command from across the room, which he minds. He has tuned in specially to my voice and fluctuations and, because I am the one that puts all the work into him, I am the one he is bonded to.
Of course Aries was my valentine gift so what I say goes, and I can keep that to a minimum. My family laughs because I won't even let anyone else walk him.
Then again, in his basics learning phase as a young pup, I wouldn't let anyone go near him until I was satisfied that he understood me. The exception was my, then, 5 year old.
I still think that it will likely work out for you. You put a lot of work into them, and I'm sure they will figure out what you are saying and just read your husband's tone and body language. It will probably make it more difficult for you though.
Nicole, thanks. Yes, to hear, that it will work itself out eventually,does make me much more confident about my beast's future.
Your party trick is very funny. do you have more of them on stock?
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Kelly wrote 10/25/2015 03:34 PM
Re: Recall/ husband problem
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#399703 - 10/25/2015 03:34 PM |
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I too, live with an "untrainer" - mine is named Paul. Paul will use my command words because he sees them working well for me. But, yes, they lose meaning when he uses them.
HERE is my absolute get your butt over here command. My dogs are required to drop what they are doing and race to me, and touch my leg - any and every time I give this command. They do so without fail.
When Paul uses the command, they might mosey over when they feel like it.
The difference is that they KNOW that I will correct the snot out of them for not complying to that command, and they know that Paul won't. Therefore in the morning, he will be out there calling and calling and they aren't coming. I step out, utter a single HERE, and they come racing.
When Paul gets annoyed with them for not listening, I tell him it's his fault for not being consistent with his training, not the dogs'.
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Re: Recall/ husband problem
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#399704 - 10/25/2015 06:46 PM |
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To all, and tongue firmly in cheek, I offer the following observation.
For many years I have toiled in the vineyard and tried to nurture the vines, aka wife and daughters, by over and over noting the obvious that consistent commands, given in a command voice, with a command presence will yield a positive result promptly.
I feel somewhat tepidly compelled to opine that it ain't always the 'husband' or male significant other who is not inspired to make the most meager of efforts to work with a dog or dogs.
In the midst of that four happy to see you cacophony and joyous abandon performed by the mutts, my wife and daughters seem to think random human phrases and loud voice will adequately replace a simple but emphatic 'Enough'! Or 'NO' delivered with a no nonsense demeanor. Or even a 'HEY!'
Alas, this is not recently developed behaviors. Suffice it to note dogs are not new to the house.
The downside of their behaviors is that I have to occasionally be the bad guy. And though I remind them of their obligation to the quietude of the house, and how the dogs seem to have trained them quite well, their attitudes have changed little in lo these many years.
Now, there may well be a bit of exaggeration in my prior comments. Perhaps a tad. So cum grano salis might be a reasonable way to read them.
With that, I will go to the kitchen once again tame the various behaviors. It is a wonder the dogs aren't schizophrenic. But I digress.
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Re: Recall/ husband problem
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#399709 - 10/26/2015 08:39 AM |
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Hi Kelly! Good trick! Promets to achieve consistency, which my dogs really don't have enough yet, although I am trying to work on this. Did you need a lot of time to reach that point? I certainly will try it and don't reveal my husband my new secret. Thanks so much!
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