Bob get off ur high horse a sec. I just wish people would think of things ahead before they get a pup/dog from a pound/breeder or wherever. Its dogs in cases as u mention that get not the attention that they need because the owners are out to work all day etc, kids teaching dogs what to do , dogs getting bored and trashing the house that are the dogs that i rehome daily. People think they are saving a dog from a pound by taking it into their home, but if the owner is hardly there however much someone wants to "save"a dog sometimes it is better to leave it where it is for someone who does have the time. You can see it as a personal attack which its not because i dont know u but i am reacting to what u wrote and it gets me upset and mad. Like i said i rehome these same case dogs every day and feel i do know what im talking about. Im sure ur intentions are good but when u write the things u do on a public board u r going to get public opinion. Maybe the advice u r recieving here is to make u think and do something before accidents happen, and believe me if u let ur 5 yr old get involved in the upbringing of a pup u could be in for big problems when the pup grows and decides to correct the child. The pup's mix u mentioned includes a husky/shep so we are talking a dog that sure isnt a push over.

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Regrettably, sometimes those of us that REALLY love dogs, have little patience with people.

Andres i have to disagree and if this was meant for me i would like to let u know that this is not true. During my contact with people who need to rehome their dogs I have spent many hrs with the owners listening to their upset and sadness due to their choice to rehome the dog. 50% of the work i do is based on the social asspect of listening and talking to the owners. If i didnt have patience with people i wouldnt be able to do the job i do. My first priority is to rehome the dogs to a good home and second is to be a backup support to the owners and new owners who are able to call me 24/7 with any question they have for as long as they want it. I also encourage as much as possible that owners stay in contact with each other which emotionally softens any sadness knowing they can find out how the dog is doing.

I just get mad when i hear these things as in the first post because once again these are the dogs that end up getting rehomed eventually and the dog is the one that cops out.

Hi Bob,

In addition to some of the great advice that you have already gotten here, I have a couple of other ideas that could help with your puppy issues. As for the potty training, if asking a friend, family member, or neighbor to walk her while you are at work, or taking her with you in a crate don't work for you, here arer a couple of other ideas.

If you can afford it, a good, reputable dog walker/pet sitter may be for hire in your area, in which case you can pay that person to come by once a day. Another thing to consider are the "doggie daycares" that are popping up all over the place. Check it out first, and if you feel comfortable with the way that they do things, consider bringing your puppy there every once in awhile. In addition to giving her supervision and a place to go potty, it will lessen her energy for when yourself/ your daughter get home, and she may feel like taking a nap instead of mauling your family members. It can also help with your puppy's socialization. Remember, this is a pet dog, not a working prospect, so raising this puppy is a little bit different from some of the advice you will see here on raising working pups.

If these ideas don't work either, consider going back to keeping her in a puppy proofed room, such as a bathroom, while you are away. Instead of putting papers down, fill something of a large litter box with grass, gravel, or whatever she normally goes to the bathroom on outside. Give her a bed, a bone, and some water, and she should be set for the day. You can also mix up any of the options, doing different things on different days.

As for jumping up on people, I find that the best way to fix these problems in a puppy is via extinction. When your dog exhibits these behaviors, she is probably trying to get attention from you. Whether the attention she is getting is negative or positive, she is still acheiving her goal. Try ignoring these behaviors until your dog tries something else. As soon as she has four feet are on the ground, praise her, or even offer her a treat, whatever works best for her.

It may take a few days before your dog understands that the jumping/ biting doesn't get her what she wants, but staying off or sitting down does. Once she understands it, though, it will become an imprinted behavior and she will begin to offer a sit when she wants attention instead of jumping on you. The most important thing here is to remain consistent- if you punish her or pet her some of the times that she jumps up, but ignore her other times, this will not work. I really reccommend that you try this- if you keep up with it you will be amazed with the results.

As for your daughter, she can't very well ignore the puppy when she is biting her/jumping on her- she is probably too small to handle it. The best advice that I have here is to have a leash on your dog whenever you think that she is likely to be overexcited with your daughter (you should be the one holding it). Don't let her get quite close enough that she can put her paws on your daughter, and have the little girl give her treats when she calms down and has four feet on the ground. Eventually, it would be a very good idea to teach your daughter to teach you dog to sit (through rewards- based training) so that when the dog is getting to excited, with your help shecan resort to training with which the puppy has positive associations.

If you ever have a SERIOUS problem concerning your dog's behavior toward your daughter (god forbid), and a correction is in order, I would definitely reccommend that you be the one to give the correction. A 5 year old and a puppy should never be left together unattended, whether or not it is her dog.

Sorry for the lengthiness of my response, but I hope that this can help your puppy to develop into more of a tolerable and enjoyable family member.

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Regrettably, sometimes those of us that REALLY love dogs, have little patience with people.

Andres i have to disagree and if this was meant for me i would like to let u know that this is not true.

i'm not sure if he was talking about you hil, but i agree with this statement in general. i really don't like most hardcore "dog people". like the show dog people around here. you get the feeling that they are into dogs because they can't communicate with humans. a dog is a much more captive participant in a relationship than a human is and these types have a hard time with humans because they dont always agree with them, have their own thoughts and opinions, etc.

having actually spoken with you hil, you obviously don't fit that profile, but i know the people andres is refering to...

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...i really don't like most hardcore "dog people"... are into dogs because they can't communicate with humans.

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I guess thats why some of the best dog trainers are the worst people trainers and so few who can do both <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

For those of you that gave “good” constructive advise/tips:
Al, Andres, Barbara, Kristen, and Kerry.... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
I sincerely thank you for your suggestions.
You have rendered some excellent tips for me to work out a training regimen. Kristen, the suggestion to bring the pup’s crate training to work where I can let her out to pee every couple of hours and walk her around our grassy office complex during lunch works great. She seems to love it. It’s too bad that one has to wade through all of the crap to get to the good stuff.

Hilary....pull your head out of your *** for a minute. Yea,… I'm sure you're a real treat for people/humans to be around….not! Dogs have been acquired for kids for decades in the US and life goes on. There isn't going to be a ‘Dog Utopia’ where YOU sit in judgment over which families are perfect enough to have dogs and which are not. You know the old saying, "Opinions are like Butt-holes; everybody’s got one".

Robert and Bob - no…, it wasn't "good advise" from Hilary; it was just opinionated ranting and raving about the family’s worthiness of owning a pup…….. hence, the sarcasm. Pffffffffff.

A quote off of the Leerburg “House Breaking puppies” page:
(Discipline)
"Run over and grab him by the scruff of the neck and gently shake him. This is exactly what his mother did when he did something wrong. This should be accompanied with a harsh NO."


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it is truly difficult to escape the preachiness of the dog world. It's something we have to live with I think, and learn from. if you start taking things personally you will soon lose the courage to ask for more advice, which shouldn't happen. Remember don't do anything to please other people that you don't even know, or let them affect you, always put your dog ahead! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

QUOTE: I guess thats why some of the best dog trainers are the worst people trainers and so few who can do both END

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A famous dog behaviorist said in the course of an interview that he learned a lot about the difference when he came to this country "all Mexican-macho" and married an American-born Latina who "just would NOT sit or stay! So now she produces my TV show and manages our home and our kennel's administration."

Hi Bob,
I have to agree with some of the people here, getting angry at advice you ask for is not the way to go. Unfortunately there are people who offer their opinions in a gruff and harsh manner. No big deal, we all offer opinions in different ways.
You and your pup will be fine, just keep reading and asking for advice and remember, all of us have an opinion. This is a great forum to get those opinions and learn from the well written step by step advice and obtaining the appropriate reading material and DVD's to learn from.
Good Luck to you, your pup and your family.
Sincerely
Carol Boche