April 26, 2011

After a month of adopting my male poodle, he and my two females are getting along well. My younger female has started climbing on my older female. Advice?

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Hello,

I've been searching your site on dog dominance, but can't seem to find quite what I'm looking for.

I recently adopted a third standard poodle (male), and after just one month, he and my two females are getting along really well. I have had no growling, no "arguments," no dominance issues between the new guy, and the other two. My two females have always gotten along so very well, which is why we got a third, and so far, the new boy is fitting in so nicely! I've been reading your articles on pack structure, and they help!

Here's the weird thing though: My three year old female, has started climbing on my seven year old female (they are both spayed)... she keeps licking her eyes, her ears...and sometimes I catch her her "hovering" ramrod straight around her. The older dog puts up with it, but I'm starting to notice that she's acting a little skittish around the younger one now. They used to play ALL the time, now the older one's not really interested.

What on EARTH could change this behavior in my younger girl? I've had to do some pretty tough corrections to make her leave Tasha alone--and yet nothing the new dog does bugs her!! Could Maya be reacting in some strange way to the new dog, through the older one? This makes no sense.

I appreciate any help, I'm a fan.

Thanks,
Cathy
Cindy
Cindy Cindy's Answer:
This is absolutely because of the third dog. It makes perfect sense if you understand dog psychology. Adding a third dog completely changes the dynamics. What you are seeing are posturing and the warning signs of a fight brewing.
Introducing Dogs is the article I would read and I would tighten up the structure and control on all the dogs now. Don’t wait until you have a fight.

Think about how 2 kids play nicely until a 3rd kid is added to the mix. It changes how everyone relates to each other. We have horses too, and they are the same. 2 horses do fine, add a 3rd and watch everything change. Your 3 year old dog is claiming the dominant spot over the 7 year old, which she may never have felt compelled to do when it was just the two of them.

I’d be doing our groundwork with ALL the dogs, not just the new one and not just the 3 year old.

Here’s the Groundwork program and the video that picks up where the article leaves off - Pack Structure for the Family Pet.

I would never let these dogs all together unsupervised and I would make sure I had leashes on them so I could control whatever situation may occur.

We have tons of information on pack structure and dominance on the website. I would direct you to the search function in the upper left corner of the website for any additional questions you may have. If you type in your key words it will guide you to articles, Q & A’s and posts on our forum.

Cindy
User Response:
Cindy,

Thanks for your quick response... unfortunately, for me, I waited too long to write to you. My girls got into a HUGE fight tonight, lots of blood, someone's ear was cut. I could hardly separate them. My newest dog, the male was in his crate, so wasn't involved.

My girls have NEVER done this, so you can understand how devastated, upset and scared I am. I ordered your DVD, and for tonight, sent my oldest dog to my friends house, because I"m so nervous about what to do next.

Could you help me until your DVD comes? Do I let the girls around each other? I was trying to correct Maya when she was posturing around tasha, I'd give her a good tug on her collar, told her NO firmly---but she'd keep doing it until I forcibly moved her. The fight happened after I put them in my bedroom, which I've done for three years, and it was behind closed doors so I don't know how it started.

My corrections obviously weren't enough. What do I do now? They did see one another before I sent tasha out... and HA! wagged their tails at one another. I thought I understood dogs, but I'm officially clueless now.

I really don't want to have to get rid of our new dog in order to restore peace. He was a rescue, and we are his fifth home, and he's been no trouble at all.

Do you have a moment to send some advice my way?

Upset beyond belief,
Cathy
Cindy
Cindy Cindy's Answer:
I’m sorry to hear about the fight but certainly not surprised. The best advice I can give is to follow the groundwork article I sent you in my original email, do this with ALL dogs. You’ll need 3 crates and a new mindset. I’d also recommend dominant dog collars, at least for the females. Your dogs should not be allowed together without supervision any more, maybe not ever (whether you keep the male or not). Taking 2 dogs who were displaying the kind of posturing they were and then putting them together behind closed doors was a big mistake as you found out.

Corrections once the dogs are already posturing don’t usually do much. Your dogs require much more leadership from you, all day, every day.

Owners of dogs like yours underestimate the genetic power of "PACK DRIVE." Pack structure is not something new and it is not optional, and if you don’t provide the structure and leadership a dog NEEDS then he or she will behave as canines have for thousands of years and will structure your family and household their own way.

I’m not sure which DVD you ordered? I really still recommend Pack Structure for the Family Pet but since you’ve now had a full blown fight you’re going to need Dealing with Dominant & Aggressive Dogs. It shows you how to correct the dogs properly when they start to show the signals (which can be very subtle).

I’d spend a lot of time reading on our website, your problem is a common one and there is so much information there that you can be studying while you start your dogs over. There is also an article on how to break up a dog fight. Use the search box on the upper left corner.

Cindy

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