I'm thinking about going to the forced retrieved on my GSD, he has excellent prey and protection drive but the dumbbell just doesn't turn him on. I have tried the Flinks method with the ball, it works but the speed that i'm looking is not there. Any suggestion thanks
Can try to force just the hold and pick up as a seperate exercise, and then encourage him with to chase it (you probably have to run with him to the dumbbell). Worked for my older female. And remember to praise wildly (throw a ball or something after proper delivery) to entice him to do it some more.
Although my dog will retrieve anything I throw, anytime, I found getting him to "take it" from my hand, on command, took a bit. With the retrieve, a "bring" command would send him running for whatever. Without the movement, his prey wasn't kicked in.
I try and use something special, other than the normal hotdogs he's rewarded with. Raising the treat value made the "take it" faster.
I used the same method that I trained him to indicate cadaver. Hold a treat in one hand and reward, at first, ANY contact with the "object". Eventually, he only got the reward for a down and bark. With the dumbell, the task was upped to a reward for taking and holding only.
I think the take and hold is totally separate from the retrieve.
police dogs are meant to want to work, not to be forced to work. if schuntzhund, traditionally is a test for german police dogs, doesnt the force retrieve, defeat the purpose. you are now training for the test and not relying on natural ability.
police dogs are meant to want to work, not to be forced to work. if schuntzhund, traditionally is a test for german police dogs, doesnt the force retrieve, defeat the purpose. you are now training for the test and not relying on natural ability.
I agree, but I also use the force retrieve, only not because of not willing to retrieve (people knowing the lines KNOW how crazy they are for retrieving) but to get the retrieve stable/serious.
with stable/serious I mean not from a play background retrieving, but always, everywhere and everytime I want to and without knibbling throwing around or playing
this is especially important to the KNPV as the dogs must be able to retrieve small (soft like copper) objects and deliver them in one piece without any damages....and without dropping the objects in between.
so the part where I use the force in the retrieving is only the part in how they pick it up and keep it during their return to me, the retrieving drive itself is natural and I belief this also has to be, otherwise if putting pressure on it for the finishing touch the dog will not do anything anymore...
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.... I also use the force retrieve, only not because of not willing to retrieve (people knowing the lines KNOW how crazy they are for retrieving) but to get the retrieve stable/serious....
I agree. Force is controversial for sure. But I feel force can also be used after the dog has been taught the exercize to teach him "I must, always, as fast as I can, every time".
If you do decide to use a force method you must be very careful to have someone who is extremely skilled in this method actually do it. Otherwise you can really screw up the dog. This method is really only for a dog hard enough that he does not fall apart with corrections.
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