This may be titled wrong but bear with me here... I was doing some informal training with my 2 dogs and my little brothers dog Cash a terrier mix. I had all three dogs in down stays lined up side by side and was working on getting one dog to do a sit form down while the others held their stay. (I know I’m a little sick) My dogs are familiar with the exercise Cash is not and is starting to show some frustration. I give Cash a level 2 correction on a flat collar and he goes for my hand. Koiya my sibe. breaks her down and takes hold of Cash I tell her "No Down" and she instantly complies. Koiya left no damage on Cash. I corrected Cash (as harshly as you can a 17lb dog) for going at me and continued the exercise. Was I fair in not correcting Koiya? Should I have corrected the aggression? Or, should I have corrected the breaking of the down?
Koiya is a hard dominant dog, but she is not dog aggressive. She is well trained but like all Siberians she has a stubborn or, more charitably and independent side. What to you guys think?

Jason, Don't you have anything better to do on New Year's Eve? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> I mean, who would be online, reading and writing about dogs instead of out partying? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

I don't know if it's right or wrong, but I wouldn't have corrected Koiya, either. She backed off when you told her to; to me, that would be good enough. My dogs often "confront" another dog that's giving me a hard time. Caleb always snarls at my pekingese when the peke bites me (which is every time I brush him <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />. I don't know what the experts would say about the behavior, but at least the intentions seem to be good, huh? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" /> I don't know what kind of training you're doing with her, but it would seem to me that she observed a threat against you, acted accordingly, and outed correctly. It seems that you did correct her for breaking the down/stay by putting her back into it. I would, however, correct her if she continues to see Cash as a threat when he's behaving, and becomes increasing aggressive toward him.

I'm opening a coffee shop near me and we are in our final phase of build out, I have so much to do in order to get my place open that I can't afford the hangover this year. I plan on capping off the night with a movie. Maybe that will distract me from the million things that I still need to get done.

I think I did the right thing with Koiya it was just an interesting enough situation that I thought I'd share it, and get some feedback.

Im not opening a coffee shop and I'm on here reading about others peoples dogs not even posting questions regarding my own dog
L=N/F --------> Loser Equals No Friends
I worked all day and a team of horses couldnt get me to go back out.
Anyway ...Happy New Year all

Same. *shifty eyes*

Hey, could be worse. One time while I was in high school I spent New Year's in a random chat room. Now THAT is sad.

Jason, I was kidding about the New Year's thing-obviously, I'm not doing much of anything, either <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />! Good luck with your coffee shop and Happy New Year!

Jason to me the whole session was wrong. You should break it up with the dog alone so you can pay better attention to the dog. As for the 17 pounder you had it is a situation that was unfamiliar and when the dog reacted he was corrected for not doing what he does not know how to do. As for your dog attacking the other I would correct that instead of reinforcing the behavior like you did. Even though she complied with your command it was the OB command she complied with not the “hey you don’t get to beat up on other dogs,” command you should have given. I would not try this again it can only get worse

Matt, you really think the exercise had no merit? I realize that it was a high distraction exercise, I also do allot of individual work with each of the dogs, if I'm looking to work on a problem or make something more precise. Each of the dogs know the commands that I was working and my 2 are used to working OB together, Cash is at the house a few times a week and does not have the level of OB that my 2 have. I see this type of exercise as advanced proofing. I guess I feel that if my dogs can't perform while beside each other how can I expect them to perform when life throws a real distraction their way. I understand not wanting to reinforce Koiya's aggression but, I also saw her actions as her protecting me. As she complied immediately I didn't see the need for correcting her.

with your two dogs that know your voice and tone you MIGHT create a problem down the road working them together. You give one a command the the other responds as well. Is she/he wrong? NO because they are responding to you. It just seems to me that you could get better results with one on one training. As for your female. The protecting thing I can see your point on BUT if you reward that behavior you will get that behavior. Having dogs do OB side by side doesnot and will not prepare them for the real world. All is shows is that you can have your dogs side by side while doing OB. When someone jumps out of the bushes to steal your wallet you enter a whole new arena. And side by side OB is not how you prepare. Just my two cents.

Matt,
I have trained the sibe in English and the GSD in German to help eliminate confusion. You are absolutely right side by side OB does nothing in the event of an attack. I work the GSD in FR, not as preparation for or a substitute to real PPD training. I'm more concerned that I will have control over the GSD in the event of a perceived threat where a bite would not be an appropriate response. The Husky would probably head for the hills if threatened. I try not to reward the husky's aggression and when appropriate I do correct her for it.

Thank you for your input on this. I appreciate the discussion.