I'm just thinking, right...nothing serious yet...but if I were going to do Belgian Ring (not for titling, just training in this fashion) with a German Shepherd, what lines should I go for? I trust that the sportier, prey-driven lines should be avoided? Like I said I'm just thinking about this... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

With a GSD you may try training BR but to my knowledge no GSD has been capable to learn the whole programe to an acceptable level. If you want to spend 3 years training go for a Malinois from a ringline. They are faster, harder and in contradiction to the GSD bred and selected for the program. Another major problem you probably will encounter with a GSD is that they are heavier than a mal and thus are more likely to get injured.

Greetings

Johan

It is a lot of work to do just for funsies! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> If you have to go with a GSD try Daniel at http://www.bergerallemandehurlevent.com He does Mondio and French ring and has been breeding dogs longer than I have been alive.

Broken link. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

It does seem to be a lot more work, but I am more attracted to it than Schutzhund. A friend of mine trains in NVBK and I'm going with him sometime later to check out the action, so to speak.

I'll probably get a mal anyway, but for now still too in love with Shepherds to let 'em go...

Try this bergerallemandhurlevent.com/indexgb.htm

Sorry forgot the www part.

Kristine wrote: "I trust that the sportier, prey-driven lines should be avoided?"


No, I would say just the opposite. If you wanted to compete in NVBK you want to find the most solid MEGA high prey drive GSD you can get your hands on. The dog will have to bring some other traits to the table, but high prey drive and monster grips will get you started.



I would agrue that the lack of GSDs competing in NVBK has a lot more to do with the lack of GSDs being trained for NVBK than their actual ability to compete. The agility portion of the work would be the most challenging, but there are Rottweilers that have titled. . .athletic working line GSDs can do it.

I also have a personal opinion on the reason why NVBK has almost NO other breed involvement in their sport. The NVBK is a very breed-centric group of people, which isn't a bad thing, but. . . . It may not be written down anywhere that only Malinois can compete, but it sure seems to be pushed in social practice and peer pressure.

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Kristine wrote: "I trust that the sportier, prey-driven lines should be avoided?"


No, I would say just the opposite. If you wanted to compete in NVBK you want to find the most solid MEGA high prey drive GSD you can get your hands on. The dog will have to bring some other traits to the table, but high prey drive and monster grips will get you started.



I would agrue that the lack of GSDs competing in NVBK has a lot more to do with the lack of GSDs being trained for NVBK than their actual ability to compete. The agility portion of the work would be the most challenging, but there are Rottweilers that have titled. . .athletic working line GSDs can do it.

I also have a personal opinion on the reason why NVBK has almost NO other breed involvement in their sport. The NVBK is a very breed-centric group of people, which isn't a bad thing, but. . . . It may not be written down anywhere that only Malinois can compete, but it sure seems to be pushed in social practice and peer pressure.

If anything you DO NOT need a prey driven dog. NVBK isn't a prey driven sport. You may start with a prey driven dog but you'll soon find out that it takes more, lots more, for a dog to get to competition. Speak from personal experiences

NVBK is, contrary to schz, a competition open to all breeds. At intervals there is someone who wants to train his "super" GSD in it or at one time even a great dane. They snap very quick out of it. These aren't the novice or bad trainers i even know one who became champion cat 2. And as for rots being titled. There is no such thing as "being titled" in BR they are ony now beginning to talk about it see http://www.nvbk.org. The only breed i know off that had a very limited succes in BR is the Bouvier de flandres but this breed has been spoiled by showbreeders. To my knowledge no other breed than the 4 belgians has ever been qualified for the national championships

To indicate the difference in training here are some things to think about a SCHZ 3 title can be obtained at about 18 months. a ringdog knows his excercises on the home decoy at about 24 months and needs another year to mature to competition level this is when he doesn't get injurred

Greetings

Johan

"NVBK isn't a prey driven sport."


You've got to be kidding me.

GSD's in NBVK???

YOU'VE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

There is the fact that they call them goats and make bleating noises at them during the trial. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> I can't imagine why they would stop training <rolls eyes>