Well I have seen few dogs bite on a sleeve, I have seen videos and I have another question about shutz training and this time about bite work.
I went through some videos from competitions, kennels and so on and I was wondering is it normal to put the sleave so low for biting? I asked people here in my club, and I was told that it is liability issue, helper issue and also did not want to "jerk" the dogs neck. I never seen such a very careful and controlled bite work. I dont think it is bad to be careful, but I dont see reason why the dog should not jump on the sleeve, and the helper shouldnt make turn and than stop... That is what I am used to, maybe it has changed, but than my friend who has been helper for 12 years mentioned it also. He asked me Why?? I gave him the same answer where he looked at me like I was talking nonsence.
Does it really depend on a club or is it so controlled by dog owners.. I can see it in my pup already the crazy prey drive juming on his prey and I would love to support it I dont want him to creep up to a helper and jus bite.. almost in waist hight.
So do I have to just work with the helper later down the road and ask him to do what I want him to, or will it be a problem in competition?
Do I have to just follow the low sleeve bite?
Just for an example, when the dog got older, the helper would run with his hands up.. and the dog would attack and bite..with a jump olmost on the actual helpers back. But I also trained with police so maybe this was just treir training..
Direction would be apriciated
thank you

Help me out with what you mean low? are you talking waist high?? Also, if you train with a club that makes no sense, go to a different club.

The Sch. club I go to the decoys hold the sleeve at about chest or sternum height and rotate with the dog as he comes barreling in. We want our dogs coming in hard and fast.

By low I mean Waist hight maybe a tiny bit higher.. I am used to the sleeve being about the shoulder hight and the dog runs, bites and the helper makes turn two hits stops and out.
Hope this helps
Club here is full of great people and also the only club in this grat valley where people are really nice and dont try to tell you that praising your dog is weakness... but lets not go there.. I have hard time believe that this biting is the actual biting here.. and I have seen it in couple of videos from Internet..Schutzhund videos. When you compare Czech videos.. Maybe I am just out of the loop

Ha than it is probably just the Helper choice and also the dog owners choice about being careful with not "jerking the neck"

If the dog is already targetting the sleeve then presenting it a few incehes higher will not matter to the dog <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> And anyone already doing decoy work should not really be worried about "liability" I mean you are training a dog to bite you..LOL <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

I mean by that (biting and liability) the dog when aproaching the helper to bite doesnt have to jump up if you will.
Maybe I am not clear.
That is the problem I always signed liability form to waive all the trouble..like I know dogs that had broken legs by helper, accidents, and so on.
I am just making sure that I will not have an issue by asking a helper to keep the sleeve higher, Chest-shouldes hight to teach the dog the ZVV training where the dog has to put the pray "down"

Getting used to a different style of training can be frustrating. I think if everyone is nice, and you have a preference for a bite chest high, then your decoy should do what you want. It is your dog after all. I can't imagine why anyone would care.

 Quote:

your decoy should do what you want. It is your dog after all.

Amen!!

Amazing how many people forget this, including me sometimes! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />