matt schmidt Webboard User Reg: 01-10-2005
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I have started working with a trainer who also runs DVG clubs at his kennel/training school. My main purpose was just for obedience, but he has been encouraging me to do schutzhund as well. Because of my work schedule we are training on saturday nights just before the club night and we have been participating in the puppy-drive building with a helper.
The helper told me to get a harness (my dog is 17 months) - he mentioned something russell? (cant remember). Anyhow, I'm not sure whether I should get a harness or a collar. Also, I saw Ed has a harness that seems great but it is only for agitation. The harness I found below can be used for both agitation and tracking (or so they say). Any thoughts? Recommendations?
Sammy Blondin Webboard User Reg: 12-03-2002
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It is personal preference. I use a harness on young dogs, or dogs starting out as they tend to choke themselves a little on a collar which can hinder a nice bark, plus they fag out easily once they have choked themselves for a good 5 minutes. In addition a dog who will pull like a champion weight puller into the collar to get at the helper has a little more trouble jumping up for the bite/tug.. I like the harness as it gives the dog much more 'freedom'.
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My personal preference is the leather ones... but then some of my dogs can put a lot of pulling pressure on them. I just trust leather more than nylon.. not saying it IS strong, but it feels stronger LOL!
Leather ones are nicer with the leather handle running parallel to the spine. I have a kinda cheesy one made of nylon which worked fine for a 20kg ( dud mal ) who didnt pull extremely hard. I also like the 2 inch leather agiatation collar with the handle. looking at 40$ for nylon harness to around 100 $ for the leather harness , collars are 30-60 $ or so.
Will Rambeau Moderator Reg: 01-25-2003
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Matt,
Agitation harnesses are made to stand a lot more abuse than those cheap lighter ones and they're usually padded with sheepskin to provide more comfort for the dog, also.
No one that I know with any experience in tracking even uses a harness in early tracking training these days, so you can forget about that use for a harness and just concentrate on getting a good harness for agitation
Brad . Martin Webboard User Reg: 09-14-2005
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Matt,
I have the Leerburg harness that Will Placed a link to above. I like it a lot. As I am using some of the 'basic foundation' dvd's on bite work to train on right now (as i have no partner)I find that the harness helps to alleviate some of the errors that I am making. Because of that the dog is able to focus more on her job and I can focus more on doing a better job rather than get frustated at my own screw ups <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> Either way you decide to go, (harness or collar) a harness is a great tool to have.
In addition to this, I prefer leather also. It has a bit more give to it than nylon so it is more comfortable to the dog. Also, I have found that most nylon harness, collars, etc.. have those crappy plastic clips. Now I don't know about you, but I got a harness because my dog pulls when she is trying to get her prey item and I'd bet that those plastic clips wouldn't last too long. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
This to me depends on the drive of your dog. My dog in prey doesn't have enough drive to need a harness. I have seen only few at a club I use to go to that used one. If his drives is so strong that a collar inhibits him than a harness maybe good. This may be a problem later on.
As long as this is being re-visited, I have a lot of problems with getting a good fit on my Mal Buko. The chest piece comes up and restricts his air. I have shortened the bottom strap, but it still does it. I tried the Leerburg harness that a club member has, and a Ray Allen. The same thing was occuring. What do I need to look for, or adjust. I am to the point now where I am tired of beating myself trying to figure it out. Anybody???????
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