markkaitner wrote 03/09/2006 06:29 PM personal protection training #100384 - 03/09/2006 06:29 PM
markkaitner Webboard User Reg: 03-01-2006 Posts: 6 Loc: Offline	Hello everyone...new user here. I have a quick question. I dropped off my 10 week old doberman "DUKE" for professional obedience training and personal protection training. He was boarded for two weeks and I picked him up recently. I go back every week to the training center to work with the trainer until I am 100% satisfied with both his obedience and protection training. Duke follows all voice and hand commands pretty well and is at the end of a leash barking and lunging at "strangers" when given his "watch" command. Of course this is not in public..it's all set up indoors. I know he has a long way to go but I would like to work him some myself at home. Is it advisable to follow your videos at home or leave it all up the professional trainer?
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Mike J Schoonbrood wrote 03/09/2006 06:34 PM Re: personal protection training [Re: markkaitner ] #100385 - 03/09/2006 06:34 PM
Mike J Schoonbrood Webboard User Reg: 04-30-2005 Posts: 2784 Loc: Toronto, ON Offline	1. I would never take my dog somewhere to be boarded and trained -- training should be done with the handler present. i. Training is a bonding experience between dog and handler. ii. You don't know what the hell they do to your dog, and based on what you're saying, it can't be much good! 2. 10 weeks is far too young to do that kinda stuff! 10 weeks is even too young to do obedience training, especially hand signals!? In only 2 weeks!? I hope you're not correcting a 10 week old puppy on a prong or choker. 3. You can do alot yourself -- in fact, most of the stuff you do to protection train and obedience train a dog between 8 weeks and 10-12 months can be done at home by yourself without anybody elses help. I certainly wouldn't expect a young puppy like that to aggressively bark and alert at people on command. Perhaps I'm way off here... but that's just my take on training and I'm sure there's many people on this board who'll agree with most, if not all what I said. Which training facility do you train at??
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Dan Oas wrote 03/09/2006 07:24 PM Re: personal protection training [Re: markkaitner ] #100386 - 03/09/2006 07:24 PM
Dan Oas Webboard User Reg: 09-21-2004 Posts: 190 Loc: MI Offline	I concur with Mike's comments, and wonder how much this arrangement cost$ You ever had a dog before? I wouldn't trade a moment of puppy breath for anything, let alone board one, for any reason other than unforeseen emergency. It's simply the best time to bond with it, and if it's you wanting the protection, then I don't get why you'd let anyone but you train it, especially so young. Just my $.02, but frankly, I'm amazed and confused. Welcome to the board though! Really! Come back often!
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Dennis Jones wrote 03/09/2006 07:31 PM Re: personal protection training [Re: markkaitner ] #100387 - 03/09/2006 07:31 PM
Dennis Jones Webboard User Reg: 06-13-2004 Posts: 3389 Loc: Richmond Va Offline	You have a 2 month old puppy lunging and barking at ppl? most of us here would consider that a problem. Obed is ok as long as its all posistive re enforcement and no correction ie click and treat or marker training or following a toy or a wooden spoon with peanut butter on it to teach some heeling. I'm not real comfortable with the board and train unless I know exactley what they are going to do to my dog. I'd take a training course for yourself and join a club. I'm just a fat guy with three GSDs but I'm sure many of the forum members would agree
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markkaitner wrote 03/09/2006 07:34 PM Re: personal protection training [Re: Mike J Schoonbrood ] #100388 - 03/09/2006 07:34 PM
markkaitner Webboard User Reg: 03-01-2006 Posts: 6 Loc: Offline	Thank you for your response. I was concerned about boarding my puppy as well. But I did watch many of the training sessions through one way mirrors. All of the obedience training is done through positive reinforcement with little to no correction at all at this point. He gets tons of praise when he's right. No treats were used to bribe him. He follows all voice and hand commands very well. The protection phase is all a game to my puppy right now. He watched adult dogs work and within minutes he was mimicking them. He's chasing strangers out of rooms who come beating on the door. He's having fun...it's not defense! It's all done in prey drive at this time. My trainer is trained in Belgian/French ring. Can you recommend which videos will work best? I train at Man's Best Friend.
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Mike J Schoonbrood wrote 03/09/2006 07:39 PM Re: personal protection training [Re: markkaitner ] #100389 - 03/09/2006 07:39 PM
Mike J Schoonbrood Webboard User Reg: 04-30-2005 Posts: 2784 Loc: Toronto, ON Offline	Quote: But I did watch many of the training sessions through one way mirrors. I don't get it... if you're gonna be there to watch it then why not be there to DO it <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> Sorry if I'm coming off as an ass, I really don't mean to be -- but training puppy stuff is so incredibly easy that even a petsmart trainer can do it, it literally takes about 8-10 minutes a day, 2 minute sessions 4-5 times a day. Professional trainers can't do anything with a puppy that you can't do yourself. I suggest buying some of the Leerburg DVD's on basic OB, building drive and focus and raising a working puppy, there should be enough in those 3 DVD's to keep you going for another 6+ months. I'd rather train at petsmart than board my dog for training -- but from what I gather, you already got your dog back and you just go there for continued training now? Do you do any of the training or do you drop off/pick up?
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Ingrid Rosenquist wrote 03/09/2006 07:54 PM Re: personal protection training [Re: Mike J Schoonbrood ] #100390 - 03/09/2006 07:54 PM
Ingrid Rosenquist Webboard User Reg: 03-01-2005 Posts: 1132 Loc: Offline	http://www.psychtkennel.com
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markkaitner wrote 03/09/2006 08:03 PM Re: personal protection training [Re: Mike J Schoonbrood ] #100391 - 03/09/2006 08:03 PM
markkaitner Webboard User Reg: 03-01-2006 Posts: 6 Loc: Offline	Mike, you're not coming off as an ass. I appreciate your comments. I do all of the handling from here on out. The trainer is there to guide me now. What the professional trainer can do for me is help train my dog. As a physician, I don't have time to work all day and night and then come home and be a professional dog trainer as well. The foundation and jumpstart they have provided seems to be a good one. Thank you for recommendation on the 3 DVD's.
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Dan Oas wrote 03/09/2006 08:25 PM Re: personal protection training [Re: markkaitner ] #100392 - 03/09/2006 08:25 PM
Dan Oas Webboard User Reg: 09-21-2004 Posts: 190 Loc: MI Offline	ok, you are super busy, and can afford it...if it's all positive, pups are plenty capable of learning, especially from other dogs. And hand signals with commands from day 1 makes good sense, as they read body language better than anything... and now, after the jumpstart, they can train you as to how they trained him, and you too get a jumpstart...this is not so strange, and in light of your schedule, makes more sense to me now. If you are new to this, even more so, as your time is better spent doctoring than making mistakes and redoing later. I hope it all works out well for you, and that we get to hear about it too.
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Dennis Jones wrote 03/09/2006 08:41 PM Re: personal protection training [Re: markkaitner ] #100393 - 03/09/2006 08:41 PM
Dennis Jones Webboard User Reg: 06-13-2004 Posts: 3389 Loc: Richmond Va Offline	Of course your time is very valuable, I'm a bit more fortunate . I'm retired, I work for the Post Office <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> I do beleave most everybody's concern is working a pup, and at ten weeks is damn near a baby if compared to humans, in defense. Everything I read and have been told here and at the SchutzHund club pups have to be much older before they start fighting. Tug, bite and prey should be all play at this time. Good luck with your puppy and keep us posted on his progress.
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