 Perfecting the COME/SIT
#101732 - 03/23/2006 06:31 AM |
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Hi All,
I've been trying to get my bhoy to sit closer to me while in front after I call him (not explaining this well).
I call my bhoy from distance. He comes a running at full pelt. He gets to me and sits facing me but is not "on my toes" so to speak and there is maybe a foot or so between us.
I'd like to get him so close (like you see in the SCH videos) that he is resting his chin on my belt and looking up at me.
Can someone give me pointers on how this is best achieved please?
Cheers
John
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Re: Perfecting the COME/SIT
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#101733 - 03/23/2006 07:55 AM |
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I use a hotdog in my fist, call him to me so he sits in front of me, if he doesn't sit close enough, its kinda hard to explain, but I kinda keep my feet where they are but make a backwards motion with my hand n my waiste that he seems to understand as "sit closer", maybe I'll try and catch it on video and send it to ya if you want. It also works for getting him into heel position -- when he goes into heel he comes around my back and sits by my right side (he heels right), n sometimes he sits too early n ends up sitting kinda behind me instead of next to me, so I make a motion with my hand kinda a short sweeping motion from his nose to my side, it works without food now that he's used to what the motion means, but I started with hotdog.
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[Re: Mike J Schoonbrood ]
#101734 - 03/23/2006 08:38 AM |
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I wasn't going to answer this post because I'm not a trainer but I had the same experience as Mike's in that when he runs to me and sits just a little too far away I say, "in" and he scooches(spelling?) closer. When I say "in" I make a small but visible movement w/my hand which has a treat in it and is positioned against me and a little higher than waist level. Don't know how he understands the word "in" but he does. Actually, he probably doesn't and it's the movement of my hand and the lack of treat that makes him realize he's not close enough.
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[Re: Mike J Schoonbrood ]
#101735 - 03/23/2006 08:44 AM |
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John,
I'm working on this too. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> My dog recalls well (straight in front w/ auto sit) but a bit too far back, like yours. I have taken my training back a few pegs to correct this.. just before she gets to me I will move backwards quickly and then abruptly stop when she has picked up her speed again to catch up.
I also learned somewhere (can't remeber where exactly) that Bernhard Flinks will open his legs a bit and touch his kness to his dog's shoulders as he marks the recall! Then in trials just doesn't open his legs because the dog is already on his toes. (Can't remeber where I heard this so I'm not 100% sure if it is true or not <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> ) But I have also been using this method before rewarding with the ball and she is slowly getting closer and closer on her own. I thought it was a great idea and it seems to be working.
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#101736 - 03/23/2006 12:42 PM |
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This is one method that worked great for me as well as several other dogs I worked with. As Bradley said, recall the dog and back away from him, because it gets him coming in faster. After he sits in front of you, have your reward under your chin or food in you mouth and sort of hop back with both feet. Most dogs will adjust to remain close. The trick is before you reward lean back from your waist and let the reward kind of roll down either from under the chin or dropped from your mouth. The theory is when the dog comes in, her/she is trying to get as close as possible to the reward. By leaning back the dog has a tendency to get even closer to your body. Almost every dog I have done this with will basically rest his head on my stomach waiting for the reward to fall/roll down. The nice thing is you can start to see the results after just a few recalls.
This is just one method that has worked well for me. Good luck.
Jason
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#101737 - 03/23/2006 10:24 PM |
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Mike & Judy,
Jason has got a pretty good idea there. What you are doing by making the dog scooch closer probably will not fix your problem. In essence you have taught the dog that it is OK to come short then inch his way in. He is getting rewarded for this unwanted bahaviour and to him he is doing exactly what you have unknowingly taught him. You cant scold him for this behaviour, you just have to come up with an idea to get the dog to get close like Jason did.
Howard
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#101738 - 03/24/2006 12:19 AM |
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Another option is to teach the dog to go to a place board. When he understands this command, put the place board at your feet in front of you. recall the dog and then command "place" as he gets close. He will end up on the board at your feet. Give the "sit" command as soon as he gets on the place.
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#101739 - 03/24/2006 08:22 AM |
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Scott and Howard,
Great ideas. I'm glad I posted before. Didn't even know I was doing anything wrong with the command until now.
Gosh, I love this board <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> !
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#101740 - 03/24/2006 10:23 AM |
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Judy, I use hot dog pieces dropped from my mouth to perfect the recal with a formal finished front position. Similar to Jason. But I don't lean back. My dogs learned after only a few recalls that if they don't come in close & rest their chin on my stomache they don't get the hot dog pieces. To get them coming in fast & close back up as they are coming in & almost to you, for the recall & stop when they are just in front of you. This will make them come in faster & closer before they stop. I hope this helps. You don't usually use a formal front finish in most trials except SchH, I don' think, but I could be wrong. I think most recalls are for the dog to finish in the heel position. Again, I may be corrected on that.
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#101741 - 03/24/2006 10:36 AM |
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It's funny how dogs get stuff mixed up after a while... I taught my boy to heel between my legs, now if I stand in front of him n tell him COME then he comes, sticks his head between my legs n sits down between my legs with his head behind me..... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> So I'm working on his COME again! When I taught him to come into heel position he started confusing COME with HEEL too. Weird dog, he's understanding the command now though, so time to do the same thing with COME and UNDER!
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