Canine Good Citizen Help..
#102945 - 04/03/2006 12:23 AM |
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Hi...
I'm new to this Forum, so I apologize if this question has already been addressed...
My question is: I have a 2-year-old GSD and I've done some Basic Obedience with him and now I'm doing Canine Good Citizen, kind of as a transition to more advanced obedience classes.
Anyhow, he's doing wonderful in all of the obedience aspects of the class, but last week we practiced the test called "Supervised Separation," in which the dog must be left with a "stranger" for three minutes, and cannot appear overally upset.
To make a long story short...my dog does not do well at this at all! As soon as I left the room he began to whine and pull at the leash and didn't calm down again until I came back until the room (he only made it a minute).
So...I have two questions. One, any suggestions on how to get him through this test? Two, is his strong attachment to me normal for a GSD, or is it a sign that he needs some inner confidence?
Thanks everyone!
Ashley
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#102946 - 04/03/2006 12:39 AM |
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Its hard to tell from your post what your dogs normal disposition is. But my guess is he needs to make some emotional attachments to people other than you. One thing that might be beneficial is having him stay a couple nights in a boarding kennel. Have someone other than yourself do some kind of activity with him, not so much for bonding but just so he knows that he can be independent of "mommy and daddy." I see this a lot with client dogs who come to the kennel and as soon as I take the leash the dog is scrambling and frantic to get back to its owner. Once we cut that umbilical cord, all the dogs I've seen have made the adjustment (be it for a week, a month, etc). You can also practice this with friends and family by perhaps meeting them at the park and you hang in the car while they take the dog for a walk. The dog should learn that leaving you, or you leaving him, is not the end of the world. A well adjusted family dog should not panic when its owner walks away.
Also, in terms of training, I would teach him a solid sit and down stay. From the few CGC's I've done, they have let me put my dog in a down stay. If you teach the stay correctly, it shouldn't matter if you want 10 feet away, around the corner, etc ... he should learn to sit still and be quiet until you come back. The person holding the leash should not even factor into the equation until the stay is solid.
Hope this helps. I sure other people will have good advice as well. Good luck on your CGC and future endeavors!
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#102947 - 04/03/2006 08:38 AM |
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First i would try putting the dog in down. then walk away 15-20 feet. stay there for a bit, go back to the dog and praise. then increase the distance 10 to 15 ft, do the same thing. if he starts getting nervous, reassrue him and keep repeating the process until your a good distance away. then do the same thing but put the dog near something, car, building etc. then simply step around the corner for a few seconds then reappear. remember take baby steps, then just increase the time. This usually works on the dogs that i have trained with this problem.
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#102948 - 04/03/2006 09:22 AM |
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Hi I am a CGC judge for AKC and a dog trainer I'f i can figure out how this thing works maybe I can answer your questions
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#102949 - 04/03/2006 10:04 AM |
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Ashley,
I use to be a CGC evaluator ( to become one, go to :
http://www.akc.org/events/cgc/evaluators.cfm
Very easy to do, as ya'll can see )
and I see that high drive dogs with strong work ethics often don't do well with the CGC test. The test is in fact a test for a good *pet* and if you're looking to do more advanced work, you can just skip the test as it's not a meaningful test for a working dog.
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#102950 - 04/03/2006 10:12 AM |
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I thought SchutzHund had a simular test. Long down with the handler out of sight
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#102951 - 04/03/2006 10:27 AM |
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I agree with Will, I work with both pet dogs, and real working dogs. The working dogs don't usually do very well. I am a CGC Evaluator and trainer, however don't reccomend the course to any working dog owners. Good luck with the dog!
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#102952 - 04/03/2006 10:31 AM |
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Dennis,
In the BH the dog is put into a "down" and the handler leaves and stands about 30 paces away while another dog does it's ob routine on the field. - it's a good test of ob under distraction ( ie, it's meaningful <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" /> )
For the CGC version, someone seated in a chair holds your dog via the leash after you hand the dog off and go out of sight. The person holding the leash is suppose to be neutral to the dog and not pet or comfort the dog in anyway. ( and the dog is thinking....why is this person restraining me and not even bothering to pet me? Guess I'll go look for my owner... )
Not a useful or meaningful test in my view, but easy for a low drive or placid dog to pass........not the type that most of us would want to work or own.
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#102953 - 04/03/2006 10:34 AM |
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I use the CGC also for my Therapy Dogs, because they must be calm and placid dogs that accept and love everyone. Not the type of dogs I own, but they still prove helpful to the community.
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#102954 - 04/03/2006 11:09 AM |
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I agree, sit stay or down stay is the way to do it. I think having the dog just stand is confusing because he doesn't know what's expected of him, and could allow him to try and think for himself. Putting him in a sit/stay or down/stay eliminates that confusion. If you have a solid sit/down/stay you should have no problems. One of my dogs got the CGC and he whines outside the bathroom for me and even jumped out a screen to chase the kids and I down the street. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />
We took the test at a pet expo, and I wasn't aware in advance that it would be there so there was no practicing. If we could do it, you could. I'll tell though, I thought the test was kind of violent and the testers on the savage side. They took a pot and banged it over his head for a while. Then there was a wacky lady with a stroller careening around us in a square, where she almost ran him down. The bull terrier that was the 'strangers dog' tried to attack my dog earlier on the fairgrounds, so they didn't even do that part in the test. Some demo dog. It was pretty sick! Good luck <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />
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