Murray Ritchie wrote 04/08/2006 03:53 PM Raw food diet #103641 - 04/08/2006 03:53 PM
Murray Ritchie Webboard User Reg: 02-13-2006 Posts: 3 Loc: Fort McMurray AB Canada Offline	I am going to start my dobermann on a raw food diet...have been doing some research and still need more information...if anyone knows and is willing to share a reciept it would be appreaciated...I am not sure of the quantities of meat, veg, and filler...
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Connie Sutherland wrote 04/08/2006 04:26 PM Re: Raw food diet [Re: Murray Ritchie ] #103642 - 04/08/2006 04:26 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: I am going to start my dobermann on a raw food diet...have been doing some research and still need more information...if anyone knows and is willing to share a reciept it would be appreaciated...I am not sure of the quantities of meat, veg, and filler... Exact amounts and meal suggestions and percentages (for b.a.r.f.) can be found here: http://www.njboxers.com/faqs.htm I would read each of those Q and A -- great grounding! And this is specific too: http://www.leerburg.com/diet.htm Also, for me at least, there is no "filler." Each ingredient is a macro- or micronutrient that is included for the dog's health and well-being. So while you'll see a basic disagreement between prey-model and b.a.r.f. people about whether or not produce is necessary, you won't see either school adding grains (if that was what "filler" meant) to the diet of a healthy dog, except a few b.a.r.f. people in very small amounts or for sustenance when a dog has intestinal distress (the white-chicken-rice soothing diet). At least this is what my own research has revealed. So the bulk of the diet is meat and bones for prey model and meat, bones, and produce for b.a.r.f. I think you will get answers to every question you can think of at the sites listed above. Good work, and good luck!
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Mike Armstrong wrote 04/09/2006 10:32 AM Re: Raw food diet [Re: Murray Ritchie ] #103643 - 04/09/2006 10:32 AM
Mike Armstrong Webboard User Reg: 08-06-2005 Posts: 615 Loc: San Diego, CA Offline	The only thing I'd add to Connie's post is a recommendation for a little book called "Raw Dog Food" available here and other places. I've been feeding raw for about 7 yrs. I have a number of other books, but this one has a nice low-key, middle of the road approach to "make it easy for you and your dog." The process doesn't need to be intimidating. Some people approach raw feeding with a religious fanaticism, but you probably won't find them on this site. As you get started and learn more, don't get stressed worrying about the daily details. The results you'll see in the first few days and weeks will confirm the switch was the right choice. Good luck and feel free to post more questions. Suppose you were an idiot. Suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself. -Mark Twain
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Martin Espericueta wrote 04/10/2006 01:26 AM Re: Raw food diet [Re: Murray Ritchie ] #103644 - 04/10/2006 01:26 AM
Martin Espericueta Webboard User Reg: 02-07-2006 Posts: 109 Loc: Central Valley, CA, USA Offline	Quote: I am going to start my dobermann on a raw food diet...if anyone knows and is willing to share a reciept it would be appreaciated... I know you're asking for recipes, but just as an incentive/praise report on feeding RAW - I've been serving 1/2 RAW for about one week now, with breakfast being kibble, and lunch/dinner RAW. My daughter, today as a matter of fact, said, out of the blue, that Sable's (almost 5 months now <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> ) coat looks "prettier", and "shiny-er". I've noticed an inprovement in her energy - and let me tell you - she's an energetic puppy as it is!!! I'll be going full RAW once I stock up on the veggie portion of the B.A.R.F diet. So far, she has 1 pound of chicken legs/thighs per day, with a switch up of red beef or deer meat (while the deer lasts). I've also given wild boar "hamburger" - but will stop w/the pork once the boar is finished. And the supplements are coming in the form of Vitabits, vitamins for dogs. Once I go total B.A.R.F, I'll add the vit. c/e/olive oils, etc. Does it sound like I'm on track here? God Bless, Martin Schatzie!
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Mike Armstrong wrote 04/10/2006 03:54 PM Re: Raw food diet [Re: Martin Espericueta ] #103645 - 04/10/2006 03:54 PM
Mike Armstrong Webboard User Reg: 08-06-2005 Posts: 615 Loc: San Diego, CA Offline	JMO, but . . . . . .sounds fine to me! I've gone through several different "meal plans" over the years, and for a while in the beginning, didn't even feed veggies. When I started on two different dogs on raw, I was prepared to ease them into raw, but saw after a couple days, there didn't seem to be any point to continuing kibble. Unless you're using THK or Innova or one of those close-to-raw brands, I quit it right now. I now have a 2-yr-old GSD and she eats about 1 to 1-1/4 lb. chicken parts/day (or sometimes fish) plus I alternate between about a half-cup veggies, yogurt, cottage cheese, an egg or two or anything else that seems appropriate. She also gets some kelp powder and then fish oil caps and E for on-going allergies. Suppose you were an idiot. Suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself. -Mark Twain
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Connie Sutherland wrote 04/10/2006 04:15 PM Re: Raw food diet [Re: Mike Armstrong ] #103646 - 04/10/2006 04:15 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: JMO, but . . . . . .sounds fine to me! ....... She also gets some kelp powder and then fish oil caps and E for on-going allergies. Ditto to the whole post, and just emphasizing the benefits of salmon muscle oil (fish oil, as opposed to fish liver oil), which works synergistically with extra Vitamin E as an anti-inflammation agent. I believe that inflammation is either the basis or one of the results of just about every systemic ailment, from what I've read, from heart disease (arteries) to arthritis to allergies. One of the best things we can do to fight inflammation is to ingest Omega 3 EFAs. The short-chain Omega 3s can be found in flax and several vegetable oils, but the long-chain, which are even more beneficial, are pretty much limited to ocean products. Google "long-chain Omega 3." I started to give my references, but I realized that they have become too numerous! It's one off "the" research subjects these days. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> Anyway, JMO!
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Jennifer Ruzsa wrote 04/12/2006 09:49 AM Re: Raw food diet [Re: Murray Ritchie ] #103647 - 04/12/2006 09:49 AM
Jennifer Ruzsa Webboard User Reg: 03-21-2006 Posts: 331 Loc: Offline	Mine get whole chicken as a base, and then I switch up twice a week a green tripe and organ mix, pork/beef parts (hocks, tails, ribs, etc...) whole raw fish, and some exotic meat like lamb or rabbit once a week. The only thing I add is herring oil and some dried kelp. I don't feed veggies, but ensure that 5% to 10% of what I feed is organ, with at least half of that being liver.
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Jan Williamson wrote 04/12/2006 09:59 AM Re: Raw food diet [Re: Mike Armstrong ] #103648 - 04/12/2006 09:59 AM
Jan Williamson Webboard User Reg: 08-10-2005 Posts: 483 Loc: NE Pennsylvania Offline	Mike - do you feed any muscle meat (beef heart, hamburger, ground turkey, etc.) or just whatever chicken meat is on the bones? The reason I ask is that I loosely follow a percentage formula of 65% rmbs, 30% muscle meat, and 5% organ meat. I, personally, do not feed veggies. The muscle meat and organ meat is fed in the a.m., together with yogurt (and an egg 3x per week) and "vitamins", and the rmbs are fed in the p.m., together with yogurt and "vitamins". Just curious. As you think, so shall you be.
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Mike Armstrong wrote 04/12/2006 12:30 PM Re: Raw food diet [Re: Jan Williamson ] #103649 - 04/12/2006 12:30 PM
Mike Armstrong Webboard User Reg: 08-06-2005 Posts: 615 Loc: San Diego, CA Offline	I've pretty much stuck with chicken backs as the bulk of the diet for this dog and the previous one. They're the right kind of bones and have some muscle and organ meat. I couldn't really tell you how it fits the %-age scale. I'm assuming it's adequate based on my research and on the condition of the dogs as seen by me and the vet (for the very few times we've been there!) The main meal in the p.m. is the chicken (occasionally fish) with a small "side" of veggies, cottage cheese or yogurt (to stick pills in) and a morning snack of something to go with more pills. From what I read and hear, I could be tinkering with the diet, but feel it works just fine and there's insufficient research or evidence to support something substantially different. I try to keep the whole process very simple. Suppose you were an idiot. Suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself. -Mark Twain
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Connie Sutherland wrote 04/12/2006 12:45 PM Re: Raw food diet [Re: Martin Espericueta ] #103650 - 04/12/2006 12:45 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: ....So far, she has 1 pound of chicken legs/thighs per day, with a switch up of red beef or deer meat (while the deer lasts)..... You know what? I have posted twice to this thread and didn't notice until today that you might be giving no bones but leg/thigh bones. If you check out the raw sites, I think you'll want to consider more soft bones (or eggshells) because of the weight-bearing bones being less chewable and less fast to digest as other poultry bones. Nothing wrong with them, IMO, just maybe not the exclusive bone source.
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