Czech Wolfdog
#104932 - 04/24/2006 11:58 PM |
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Has anyone ever heard of a breed called the Czech Wolfdog? I have been researching it heavily lately, and have learned that it is not a wolf, but a domesticated dog that does not have any wolf in it. It simply looks like a wolf and has similar behavior, however it can be obedience trained, as well as in sport, schutzhund, etc.
Was just wondering if anyone has ever owned one because I was thinking about purchasing one in a year or two.
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Re: Czech Wolfdog
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#104933 - 04/25/2006 02:35 AM |
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Worthless as working animals.
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#104934 - 04/25/2006 07:54 AM |
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Czechoslovakian Wolfdog. An FCI recognized Czech breed developed from a cross between the European wolf and the GSD, supposedly to produce a larger, healthier, super shepherd. While similar to some Czech line GSDs in appearance, this dog's temperament, incorporating as it does the wolf's highly developed flight response, makes it unsuitable as a working dog. It is a light wolf grey in colour.
Science is now revealing that the domestic dog has evolved a genetic capability to recognize human gestures and intonations of voice, an ability not possessed by the wolf. This would suggest that crossing the two might not be such a good idea.
Where did you read that its not a wolf?
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Re: Czech Wolfdog
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#104935 - 04/25/2006 08:00 AM |
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Matthew,
Don't get your hopes up as far as working a Czech Wolfdog. It's telling when the people who developed the 'breed' (the Czech Border Patrol) abandonded it.
The intent was to create a more suspicious dog for work on the Border Patrol. What they ended up with were independent, suspicious (of everything), and nervy dogs not capable of the work they were trying to accomplish. They stuck with the GSD.
The last infusion of wolf was about 25 years ago, a female bred to Bojar v Schotterhof (GSD). I don't doubt that the trainability and biddability of the dogs now are better than in the F1 & F2 generations, but the breed has been maintained mostly by fanciers and hobby breeders with little interest in the selection of working qualities.
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Re: Czech Wolfdog
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#104936 - 04/25/2006 09:14 AM |
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MY are they pretty! If I had room in my kennel for a non-working, pretty dog I'd get one. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
Seriously though, I think that THIS is something I'd like to see people owning instead of those F1 and F2 wolf hybrids.
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Re: Czech Wolfdog
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#104937 - 04/25/2006 11:16 AM |
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Hi Matthew,
the breed is registered as Czechoslovakian wolfdog, worthles, mean nervy very unpredictable animal IMO. It was suppose to be a dog with a size of wolf and behavior of a GSD.. hahaha, breed was ment to be a new generation for police work, after I believe ( dont quote me on that please) 20 years of breeding they gave up. No use for them, A lot of thes guys end up in places where they basicaly live in packs with other neglected animals because they could not even be pets. I would think twice about purchasing this dog. I have seen many, my ex owned one.. NO WAY I Would ever let this dog to be around my family. I think they are absolutely beautiful animals, but.. TOO CLOSE to a wolf.
I would Recomend you maybe read about Desensky, he lives in Czech and takes care about these dogs, neglected, the ones that were thrown out, left behind. Maybe you can find something in english.
Good luck
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Re: Czech Wolfdog
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#104938 - 04/25/2006 01:31 PM |
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#104939 - 04/25/2006 01:56 PM |
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Thanks for the links, Matthew. The Tamaskan looks like the Utonagon (a British breed, if I recall), which is also a GSD, Siberian husky, and Alaskan Malamute cross, though I think those were bred more for looks. I'd be interested, as I've said before, in a dog that is a quarter Malinois, a quarter GSD, a quarter Siberian husky, and a quarter Malamute. Introducing the Malinois into that mix would probably up the drive, obedience, and better hips, but actually give it more of the rangier wolf look. I'm kind of surprised that the mushers haven't tried this as husky/GSD mixes are fairly popular as lead dogs for their obedience.
Eureka! That's it! I must start a new dog breed, but it has to be a "designer breed" with an adorable name (I think Alaskan Siberian Belgian German Mal Mal Shephusky would be just great) so I can charge $2000+ for each pup! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />
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#104940 - 04/25/2006 02:24 PM |
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Matthew, I am not going to say anything, nor take titles from these dogs. I am not saying that every single dog is worthless, but majority are. To your " they are not wolfs only alike" (it is not a quote, i understood it like this).. well most of them still have about 5-40% of wolf in them.
I have seen, I have trained and I say: great get it, but dont expext more than nervy, shy, very unpredictable Gog wolf. At least you wont be disappointed.
I have heard about SHUTZ 3on a black lab!!! It is possible and doable. But as a breed, I have not seen single one compete, they just dont have temperament nor drives or even the potential. too many helpers ran them off the field. I know, that they are used in S&R a lot in Sovakia or Czech, but NO police, nor PPD. I have not seen one. But for the breed : they love to hunt. Anything, they have the spirit of a wolf. My ex's brought home deer, rabbits and who knows what else..
We used to laugh at people on a field with "CVCKO"-The short name for these guys. They just dont have it.
What I wrote abowe, is answer to your Q you asked about the breed "who knows it"and I do know this breed well. There was no questioning if they can be titled.
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#104941 - 04/26/2006 01:59 PM |
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Matthew, I am not going to say anything, nor take titles from these dogs. I am not saying that every single dog is worthless, but majority are. To your " they are not wolfs only alike" (it is not a quote, i understood it like this).. well most of them still have about 5-40% of wolf in them.
I have seen, I have trained and I say: great get it, but dont expext more than nervy, shy, very unpredictable Gog wolf. At least you wont be disappointed.
I have heard about SHUTZ 3on a black lab!!! It is possible and doable. But as a breed, I have not seen single one compete, they just dont have temperament nor drives or even the potential. too many helpers ran them off the field. I know, that they are used in S&R a lot in Sovakia or Czech, but NO police, nor PPD. I have not seen one. But for the breed : they love to hunt. Anything, they have the spirit of a wolf. My ex's brought home deer, rabbits and who knows what else..
We used to laugh at people on a field with "CVCKO"-The short name for these guys. They just dont have it.
What I wrote abowe, is answer to your Q you asked about the breed "who knows it"and I do know this breed well. There was no questioning if they can be titled.
Thank you Martina. How was your friends wolfdog as far as obedience goes? Did he have a reliable recall?
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