FINALLY!! We're getting to the root of the problem!


http://www.illinois.gov/PressReleases/ShowPressRelease.cfm?SubjectID=1&RecNum=4942

Well, if the new laws are enforced, that is. Missouri would have less problems with dog bites if the existing laws were enforced. Moberly has leash/dog at large laws. Are they enforced? Hardly ever. A lot of the time, new laws are passed and they sound good, but, if they aren't enforced, what's the point of adding them? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

I'm just happy it wasn't another BSL law.

Do any of you think that the pit bull derserves to be banned?
I myself believe that this is total bulls*** <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" /> and believe that NO breed of dog should be banned, the owners of the pit bully should be the one that takes responsability for their actions not the whole breed.

1 person has to ruin it for all.
There are SOOOO MANY more dog breeds that are likely to bite and kill.
Not just the pit bull.
And I do not own a pitty but I work at the animal shelter, and i see the pitty's that come in, the cute perfect little pitty pups and the fighters. Most of all fighting pits are EXTREMLY friendly w/ people because they are suppose to be, but will attack other dogs.
Is this the dogs fault? The answer is NO!!!
It takes STUPID PEOPLE that mess the breed up and give them a bad rap. It doesn't really matter they all (usually)end up put to sleep, The fighters, the cute, wonderful,loving little pups, the mistreated,the wonderful pit bulls that no body wants.
ALL dogs BITE and ALL breeds of dogs CAN KILL AND HURT PEOPLE
Ok sorry if my spelling's off, but I would like to hear your opinions on BSL and pit bulls.
And if anyone has links to webpages that support pits, and have merchandise, and alot of it. please post it

Thanks to all who have taken the time to read this.
~Ashley <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Ashley,
From the CDC site:
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00047723.htm#00002439.htm

Pit bulls were involved in fatal bites on people more than twice as much as the next noted breed, the Rottweiler ( 60 deaths from 1979 to 1996 for the pit bull, 29 from the Rott over the same period )

So I don't see where you're getting your facts when you said "There are SOOOO MANY more dog breeds that are likely to bite and kill."

Having your facts straight will go a long way in making for a better discussion.

The statistical analysis of dog bites vs. breeds has always had fatal flaws. It either doesn't recognize the number of dogs from a a specific breed available to perform bites on people or it uses AKC registrations of breeds as the basis of number of dogs of a particular breed.
Since the UKC was designed to register the APBT and the AKC represents a small portion of the breeds representation among "registered" dogs it skews the numbers.
It is quite likely that the APBT and its associated other registered breeds like the Am Staff as well as at least one other registry (can't recall its acronym off hand) put together as well as all the unregistered and similiar breeds like the ABD are the most popular breed/s in the US far outnumbering dogs like the Rott.
I'm not saying the APBT doesn't bite. But, I expect it is pretty much in line with other breeds if a correction (one that actually made sense that is) were applied to the numbers.
Deaths will always be higher among the large powerful breeds vs. smaller breeds. So will reporting of dog bites. It's a much smaller issue when the Chihuahua bites someone in most people's minds than when a 90# GSD does. There is pretty much no doubt that if all dogs were lap dog size there wouldn't be viscious dog legislation.

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Ashley,
From the CDC site:
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00047723.htm#00002439.htm

Pit bulls were involved in fatal bites on people more than twice as much as the next noted breed, the Rottweiler ( 60 deaths from 1979 to 1996 for the pit bull, 29 from the Rott over the same period )

So I don't see where you're getting your facts when you said "There are SOOOO MANY more dog breeds that are likely to bite and kill."

Having your facts straight will go a long way in making for a better discussion.

2001-2002 ohio dog bite stats
Mixed breeds-34%
Shepherds-7%
Labs-7%
Rotts-6%
Boxers-4%
Chows-3%
Pits-2%

77% of all dogs pass the temp. test while a HUGE 95% of Pits passed the test.
"Think about that the next time you stereotype a pitbull"
Yes, pits and rotts may kill if in the wrong hands, but can't any dog??Of course they can, BTW I'm talking about biting not killing, and pits are just as likely to bite as labs,rotts,chows,jack russells, and the little toy breeds. They are renouned for being 'vicious'.
In the wrong hands any dog can bite, not just the pitty.
BSL does NOT solve the problem it just covers it!
Again I am not a pitty owner but i see these dogs all the time and the only reason they are the way they are is because people make them that way. (And if any breed is bred closly in its family it can produce a physco dog, ANY BREED) When i find that webpage i got the info off of ill post it, i just printed out the page the info was on.

~Sincerely Ashley

This has gotten really off topic. Hank posted about a vicious dog law, not BSL, not pit bulls. I am well aware of stats involving pits, and while Ashley's stats are familiar to me (at least the temp testing stats), Kevin makes a great point in his post, one I've often argued w/anyone who felt like arguing. There are errors in all kinds of statistics, and I think dog bites are a great example. I fostered pit bulls for several years, have never been bitten by one, but I am bitten by my pekingese every time I try to brush him <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />. Kevin's right about the size issue, as well. Anyway, I'm rambling.

Ashley, if you've done any searches on this site for pit-related topics, I'm sure you'll see that BSL is not what the majority of the members of this board are advocating. Keep in mind, 90% (not an accurate number-just a SWAG) of the board members have dogs who bite. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

And so??? Nobody said anything about pit bulls on this topic. This was about a new law(s) in IL, which is not BSL and not pit bull related.
Not exactly the place for another pit bull rant, IMO

Oops, Jenni, I see that you had already said something about the original topic not being about Pit Bulls. Didn't mean to be redundant, sorry.
I still think the best way for most states to go would be just to enforce the laws that are already in place, that would go a long long way towards abating some of the dog at large problems in most towns and cities.