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All I have to say is "WOW!!" I am only a novice but this stuff makes schutzhund protection look like child's play.

I have always said that had KNPV come to Ameica before schutzhund it would have become the primary protection dog sport in this country. I say this for two reasons:

1- There is no tracking

2- It is very spectacular.

With this said those that are new to this sport should understand that the KNPV is 100% prey drive work (just like the sport of schutzhund). The KNPV titled dogs in Holland that pass the selection test for police service work must still go through 6 weeks of intensive training before they are allowed to go through pilice K9 certification.

ed - maybe not 100% pray but..
I think that an average knpv dog still is stronger than the average ipo,sch,fr,mr,br , I think this because the way of the dutch knpv training methods.
their is put very much hanlder pressure on the knpv dogs and when i say "a lot" I mean "a lot", dogs that survive this strong training and still go on to the exame are strong dogs.
again not all of them ,but the average dog is.
i think the training in the knpv is what makes it such a strong sport.
and offcourse the courage test is the strongest courage test from all sport, the stick hits the dog before he bites.

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I have always said that had KNPV come to Ameica before schutzhund it would have become the primary protection dog sport in this country. I say this for two reasons:

1- There is no tracking

2- It is very spectacular.

With this said those that are new to this sport should understand that the KNPV is 100% prey drive work (just like the sport of schutzhund). The KNPV titled dogs in Holland that pass the selection test for police service work must still go through 6 weeks of intensive training before they are allowed to go through pilice K9 certification.

They´re is a no tracking like sch./ipo, but the search for little articles.
And most dogs aren´t prey dogs, only puppies are trained in prey. A dog must realise he is biting a man, and at preydrive that doesn´t work.
The trainingcourse is to learn a handler to work their trained dog and to learn a dog some slightly different excercises.
PH1 certificate their is the search and bark of a box in a wood, in the surveillancehondencertificaat (= official gouvernemental certificate to work on the streets) it is 2 thrown away big objects which must be searched and barked at.

Instead of searching a man in the wood and bark (PH1), the dog must search in a building and bark to a man behind a closed door.
Most sportdogs aren´t learned or had a civilbite or pratical excercises, this is also thought or worked through in the additional period before coming a working policedog.

To bad most of the dogs on the championship are sportdogs these days and not a policedog (imo).

Before you say your opinion so strongly:Maybe a new visit to Holland, Ed?

Man I love to watch these clips. Thanx 4 shar'n!!! <img src="http://www.leerburg.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Watching it brought up a thought though. I've heard of Shz 1 dogs being baught by police forces and their training regime altered to reflect actual field work. That being said anyone know how these sport dogs work out? I do realize that it is dependant on the dog itself but a Shz 1 dog does not need as much training since he already has the basics. So I guess my question would more be along the line of... are the basic skills of the dog, brought to the table in civil work, at a more advanced stage in a KNPV dog compared to a Sch dog (assuming the dog IS able to perform in the field)?

(Not KNVP but NVBK.)

Dogs bought for policework need additional training because civile bite and search for specific scents (drugs) aren't thought. As well as training the handler. This being said I've done the test twiece; my dog does search drugs if you show him the scent he is supposed to find. I did it with Canabis and Heroine (provided by the police) Finetuning is necessary. On the other hand we have a new member in our club. He is a veteran policedog handler (10 years experience on the street with policedogs patrole, drugs and cadaver) and he is amazed by the level required for nvbk and never stops pointing out things that we do better <img src="http://www.leerburg.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" /> Find that funny

Greetings

Johan

I don’t want to start an argument but the fact is the majority of KNPV dogs are prey drive and trained in prey. In fact these dogs have EXTREME PREY and that’s the drive they work in - the training is extreme but the work is still prey work.

I have gone to Holland for many many years and been at many many clubs - the people are great - they train very hard and often - the dogs are for the most part good - but the training is prey. For those who claim differently all I can say is they need more experience working with police service dogs that work in fight drive or defense.

The fact is the KNPV is a dog sport - pure an simple - no different than Schutzhund is a dog sport.

I didn't say it's a sport or not!

but I did say that the level of dogs as working dogs is much higher then the level of dogs that do schutzhund.

a normal knpv dog can do schutzhund without a problem as of the normal schutzhund dog probebly won't stand the pressure of the knpv training.

and still I think that the knpv is the most "real" sports of them all.

Eran - fix your displayed name or your next post will be your last post. This is the third time I have asked you.

With that said - I am no longer a huge fan of schutzhund - in my opinion Schutzhund USA and the SV have become a JOKE. They are mcounter productive to promoting working dogs.

With this said if the KNPV dogs can so easily do well in the sport of Schtzhund there would be more of LNPV dogs titled in both disaplines. Fact is there are VERY VERY few dogs that go both ways.