Are you suppose to wait till a dog is at or near 100% with a command before you add a new command?
Example:Wait till the dog is 100% on "sit" before moving on to "down".

Michael

There are so many issues to a sit;
Can he sit in front, can he sit at your side.
Can he sit and stay, then come and sit in front.
Can he move from a down to a sit in front and at your side.
Can he move from a down to a sit at twenty-five feet.
Can he sit and stay, in a group, or if you left the room.
Can he sit while petted by a stranger.
Can he sit and hold an object, delivery of a retrieve.

I remember when I was in school they passed me even if I only got 80%.
I always claim that the best way to teach a behavior is to advance.
In elementary school I hated Math. Addition was the worst, until they introduced subtraction. Then addition didn't seem so bad, but that subtraction. Next they introduced the multiplication table, can't even begin to describe my emotions, well I can, just not here. Addition and subtraction sure looked safe now.

Do you see my point all new information will appear frightening at first, you should end when you dog is in a medium stress response, he's calm, would take a treat.
Streamlining information has a lot to do with the order of presentation of the information.
It really depends on your long term objectives, what you want of your dog.
For example can your dog stand? What good would it be to teach a dog to sit, if I want the dog for the show ring! Understanding the order of presentation is what’s most important.

so, JST, do you have any suggestions for "order of presentation"? it's all well and good to SAY that, but without an explanation (or example) of what exactly you mean, your response doesn't do us much good.

your response made sense (the math example), but how do we apply it to our training? please help!

Thank you. JST, I would also like to see an example, but I think I get the gist of what you are saying. It made complete sense with the math example. (!@*# algebra!) I also wanted to apologize because I just read another active post that had the same question. I searched, but didn't see it. I'm now giving myself a collar correction.

What is your objective with your dog; show trial, obedience, trial, protection, herding, family dog. For example with a protection dog, why would I worry about don't jump on people, until they had a bite! For that matter, in a family dog, why would you teach them not to jump up, before they can come!
I you give me some specifics, such as breed, age, level of accomplishment, or best of all a green pup, I would be more than happy to respond with regards to the order of presentation of information.

Dear Anne,

Sit and stay, would look easy if you started to introduce a sit stay and hold (an object).
Sit stay and hold, would look easy, if you next added an examination.

oh--i understand all that, scott. i was just hoping that you would give us specific WAYS to get there, ie, how do you train the sit/holding an object, etc.

i mean, i get that you're saying that one step at a time is the way to get to the ultimate goal, but you're not being very explicit as to how to get there.

for example: i have a 6 mo old GSD, he's 95% reliable on a "come here" that involves a front, close sit, fuss (if i have his *item* in my hand). then what do i do to get a sit/hold in front? he'll "bring", but then spit out the object 4' away. i also understand that this involves training 2 different excercises, then bringing them together.

what i'm saying is, what PRACTICAL advice do you have? how
do we get to where you say we can get?

please don't take this as a personal attack, it's not. i'm just looking for ideas i can put into use in my everyday work with my dog--and he don't get algebra <img src="http://www.leerburg.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> and i'm not all the bright either <img src="http://www.leerburg.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

I think your question was how do I teach my dog to bring an object to me, to sit straight in front and deliver it to me when asked? Am I correct?
Would you mind if I emailed this to you over the weekend as I think it will take up to much space here and is not exactly what the posters thread was about.
Regards
Scott

Meh. I'll teach whatever I feel like teaching (within reason of course, first the dog has to know the learning process and the marker).

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Are you suppose to wait till a dog is at or near 100% with a command before you add a new command?

Depends on what your going to do with the dog. I know people who train their dog in one task only until it is perfect and only then move on to the next skill. The rest of the time the dog is in the kennel. In my case I have to live with my dog so all the basic commands are taught as quickly as possible, thier reliable but would be sloppy in the eyes of a Schutzhund or AKC judge. So again, what do you want to do with the dog?