Sandy Moore wrote 10/19/2006 11:24 AM AKC's Standard for the German Shepherd #115994 - 10/19/2006 11:24 AM
Sandy Moore Webboard User Reg: 07-25-2006 Posts: 2665 Loc: AZ Offline	I've been baffled and upset for a long time about the roach back GSDs that are being bred and touted as something wonderful, shown at show stance by the breeders with pride. So I just had to post this. This type of GSD is in direct opposition to the AKC standard for the breed, found at AKC GSD standard Here's the quote from AKC: "Topline-- The withers are higher than and sloping into the level back. The back is straight, very strongly developed without sag or roach, and relatively short." So how do breeders get away with ruining the breed with that awful looking weak back? I just don't understand. The pic of the GSD on the AKC site is absolutely nothing like the roach back Shepherds you see from so many breeders. Even the GSD's that appear at the AKC shows don't meet the AKC standard. Again, I just don't understand......
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Jeanne Woodlock wrote 10/19/2006 12:30 PM Re: AKC's Standard for the German Shepherd [Re: Sandy Moore ] #115995 - 10/19/2006 12:30 PM
Jeanne Woodlock Webboard User Reg: 01-12-2005 Posts: 79 Loc: New York Offline	You are quoting from the AKC standard, but the dogs with roach backs are not the American show lines, they are the West German ones.
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Heather Williams wrote 10/19/2006 02:46 PM Re: AKC's Standard for the German Shepherd [Re: Jeanne Woodlock ] #115996 - 10/19/2006 02:46 PM
Heather Williams Webboard User Reg: 10-10-2006 Posts: 358 Loc: Toronto, ON Offline	I haven't seen a level-backed GSD at a show in ages. I don't really know how they get away with it, although I know that sometimes the standards seem a little out of date. Not that I endorse changing it to encourage slope-backed dogs, just that I've seen a lot of breeds change while their standard remains the same. Why do you think this ever became a desirable trait among conformation GSDs in the first place? I'm sort of curious.
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Rich Pallechio wrote 10/19/2006 03:54 PM Re: AKC's Standard for the German Shepherd [Re: Sandy Moore ] #115997 - 10/19/2006 03:54 PM
Rich Pallechio Webboard User Reg: 05-08-2006 Posts: 687 Loc: Washington Offline	Could someone post links to pictures of what they are seeing at the shows and what the standard looks like?
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Heather Williams wrote 10/19/2006 04:35 PM Re: AKC's Standard for the German Shepherd [Re: Rich Pallechio ] #115998 - 10/19/2006 04:35 PM
Heather Williams Webboard User Reg: 10-10-2006 Posts: 358 Loc: Toronto, ON Offline
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Al Curbow wrote 10/19/2006 05:22 PM Re: AKC's Standard for the German Shepherd [Re: Jeanne Woodlock ] #115999 - 10/19/2006 05:22 PM
Al Curbow Webboard User Reg: 06-30-2005 Posts: 974 Loc: northeast Offline	Hi Jeanne, i have a West German showline dog and he doesn't have a roached back at all, far from it, he's super athletic (can run all day and he does) and has an excellent temperament, fun dog to own, just my experience, AL
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Barbara Earnhardt wrote 10/19/2006 05:43 PM Re: AKC's Standard for the German Shepherd [Re: Sandy Moore ] #116000 - 10/19/2006 05:43 PM
Barbara Earnhardt Webboard User Reg: 03-09-2006 Posts: 98 Loc: Kannapolis, NC 28083 Offline	I have stopped banging my head about this long time ago there is no answer. NO one AKC, SV or anyone else complies with the standards that are set forth in the rule books. As many have stated there should be different types of German Shepherds within the breed (IMO I agree) German Shepherd working class, German Shepherd show class. If you look at Capt. Max dog there was no slope/roach nor was he walking like he is tring to sit. If you want a good example of what the breed should look like then look more towards your working lines. Most do not have roach or slant backs. The reasons they can and will get away with it is due to $$$$$$$$$$ and who is trotting the dog. I have ran the show ring just for fun and seen first hand how "who you are" can place you. I even seen a guy walk right up to the judge and say and I quote" Do you remeber me? I bought "him" pointing to the dog from you three years ago.blah blah blah Lord and behold that dog won group. Barbara Earnhardt
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Judy Troiano wrote 10/19/2006 05:44 PM Re: AKC's Standard for the German Shepherd [Re: Al Curbow ] #116001 - 10/19/2006 05:44 PM
Judy Troiano Webboard User Reg: 09-22-2005 Posts: 979 Loc: New Jersey Offline	And I have an American/German showline GSD and his back has no slope whatsoever.
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ann freier wrote 10/19/2006 06:15 PM Re: AKC's Standard for the German Shepherd [Re: Judy Troiano ] #116002 - 10/19/2006 06:15 PM
ann freier Webboard User Reg: 11-20-2005 Posts: 673 Loc: NE Nebraska Offline	does someone here know where to find one of those skeletal diagrams of CORRECT GSD structure--the kind that shows the skeleton overlaid on an outline of the dog? i've been wanting to see one forever just to be able to do my own comparisons on some of these dog pictures. one thing i HAVE learned, is that the way the dog is stacked/angle of picture can really change how s/he looks...
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Ruth Counter wrote 10/19/2006 06:21 PM Re: AKC's Standard for the German Shepherd [Re: ann freier ] #116003 - 10/19/2006 06:21 PM
Ruth Counter Webboard User Reg: 11-16-2005 Posts: 185 Loc: Utah, U.S. Offline	Ann, there is a site called The Illustrated Standard of the German Shepherd Dog by Linda Shaw that was originally from the Schutzhund USA Magazine. I am sorry, I don't know how to post a link <img src="http://www.leerburg.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.leerburg.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />
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