Michael Sullivan wrote 10/25/2006 07:34 PM starting the raw diet #116463 - 10/25/2006 07:34 PM
Michael Sullivan Webboard User Reg: 03-22-2006 Posts: 99 Loc: Illinois Offline	Hey all,there's a bit of a discussion going on here about feeding raw and the possibilities of e-coli and salmonella.I just received THK in the mail and will be starting tomorrow,mixing it with kibble for a few days until they are used to it.Once they arer used to it I will be adding raw meat,chicken,etc... to keep costs down.My question is is it possible to get salmonella after the dogs eat by them licking your face,hands,etc..Seems liuke a silly question-I don't think there will be a problem however my gf has concerns about it being spread around the house.Her main concern is the addition of raw meats and chicken,etc..no problem with THK.Can someone please enlighten us. <img src="http://www.leerburg.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />
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Connie Sutherland wrote 10/25/2006 07:54 PM Re: starting the raw diet [Re: Michael Sullivan ] #116464 - 10/25/2006 07:54 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: ......My question is is it possible to get salmonella after the dogs eat by them licking your face,hands,etc..Seems liuke a silly question-I don't think there will be a problem however my gf has concerns about it being spread around the house.Her main concern is the addition of raw meats and chicken,etc..no problem with THK.Can someone please enlighten us. <img src="http://www.leerburg.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" /> Dogs lick themselves, eat poop, have their faces in other dogs' butts, grab nibbles from road kill and stuff you don't want to know about in your yard......... The idea is not to french kiss the dog and to wash your hands if they have been licking them, just as you wash them after handling raw chicken, etc., for yourself. BTW, I read that e.Coli disease in humans in 2004 was over 40% caused by contaminated produce, rather than meat. I wash my hands before and after handling all raw food and after picking up poop in the yard. The two salmonella disasters I have seen firsthand in my life involved hard-cooked egg dishes at picnics (deviled and in potato salad). The one e.Coli disaster I've encountered involved unpasteurized apple juice. I'm not making light at all, BTW. I believe in keeping a very clean food prep area.
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Michael Sullivan wrote 10/25/2006 08:05 PM Re: starting the raw diet [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #116465 - 10/25/2006 08:05 PM
Michael Sullivan Webboard User Reg: 03-22-2006 Posts: 99 Loc: Illinois Offline	Thanks Connie,so basically it's a matter of common sense.My gf is a bit of a germ fanatic.Sorry to seem so anal,but it's important to do this for my dogs and also try to keep her happy and worry-free.
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Connie Sutherland wrote 10/25/2006 08:19 PM Re: starting the raw diet [Re: Michael Sullivan ] #116466 - 10/25/2006 08:19 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: Thanks Connie,so basically it's a matter of common sense.My gf is a bit of a germ fanatic.Sorry to seem so anal,but it's important to do this for my dogs and also try to keep her happy and worry-free. Oh, I understand completely. It might help to point out that the most frequent problems in these areas nowadays (now that we don't have much home-canning) are from contaminated water, actually ingestion of contaminated meats, and ingestion of produce that's been irrigated or washed with contaminated water. I prefer that raw meats are kept on the bottom 'fridge shelf (no dripping down) in a no-leak container...... whether it's dog or people food. And hand-washing after handling raw foods is just number one...... dog or no dog. <img src="http://www.leerburg.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />
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alice oliver wrote 10/25/2006 10:34 PM Re: starting the raw diet [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #116467 - 10/25/2006 10:34 PM
alice oliver Webboard User Reg: 09-14-2005 Posts: 843 Loc: Offline	i keep antibacterial soap in a hand pump by the kitchen sink, and all preparation is done in the sink, with the immediate use of scalding hot water on cutting board, knife, and hands, with lots of soap, immediately after. but salmonella an ecoli are everywhere, you can't escape them. practice basic hygiene and you should have no problems. working Mastiff
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steve mcdonald wrote 10/26/2006 10:47 AM Re: starting the raw diet [Re: alice oliver ] #116468 - 10/26/2006 10:47 AM
steve mcdonald Webboard User Reg: 09-05-2006 Posts: 144 Loc: Offline	e-coli is a bacteria that naturally grows on the cows utter or intestine. Most strains are harmless. Cross contamintaion with the meat and manure used to fertlize is how we are exposed. So probably not much chance of getting it from chicken. Even if the chicken is highly infected with salmonella and he eats it then sticks his tongue down your throat <img src="http://www.leerburg.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> Would it be enough to get you sick? Those who would give up essential freedoms for the temporary feeling of safety deserve neither!!
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Michael Sullivan wrote 10/26/2006 11:03 AM Re: starting the raw diet [Re: steve mcdonald ] #116469 - 10/26/2006 11:03 AM
Michael Sullivan Webboard User Reg: 03-22-2006 Posts: 99 Loc: Illinois Offline	Thanks again everyone for the input,we generally keep a clean house,but this was just the reassurance I think she needed. P.S. Fed them this morning,Half kibble ,half THK,and they both gobbled it up.Nice to see them take an interest in their food now. <img src="http://www.leerburg.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
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Connie Sutherland wrote 10/26/2006 11:05 AM Re: starting the raw diet [Re: steve mcdonald ] #116470 - 10/26/2006 11:05 AM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: e-coli is a bacteria that naturally grows on the cows utter or intestine. Most strains are harmless. Cross contamintaion with the meat and manure used to fertlize is how we are exposed. So probably not much chance of getting it from chicken. Even if the chicken is highly infected with salmonella and he eats it then sticks his tongue down your throat <img src="http://www.leerburg.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> Would it be enough to get you sick? Chickens have tongues? I didn't know that. <img src="http://www.leerburg.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
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Connie Sutherland wrote 10/26/2006 11:12 AM Re: starting the raw diet [Re: steve mcdonald ] #116471 - 10/26/2006 11:12 AM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: e-coli is a bacteria that naturally grows on the cows utter or intestine. Most strains are harmless. Cross contamintaion with the meat and manure used to fertlize is how we are exposed. So probably not much chance of getting it from chicken. Even if the chicken is highly infected with salmonella and he eats it then sticks his tongue down your throat <img src="http://www.leerburg.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> Would it be enough to get you sick? But seriously, yes, of course, water contaminated with runoff from cattle areas and then used in irrigation is a common avenue for humans exposure to e.Coli, as well as the route described above. Salmonella is the problem with uncooked or undercooked poultry. All preventable with care in the kitchen.
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steve mcdonald wrote 10/26/2006 11:14 AM Re: starting the raw diet [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #116472 - 10/26/2006 11:14 AM
steve mcdonald Webboard User Reg: 09-05-2006 Posts: 144 Loc: Offline	Those who would give up essential freedoms for the temporary feeling of safety deserve neither!!
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