Taking the Plunge into the World of RAW
#118956 - 11/27/2006 07:09 PM |
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O.K. Here is the deal, I have decided to go RAW....YAY!!!!
I bombarded Connie Sutherland who was EXTREMELY helpful in answering my questions and concerns and has given me a wealth of information as far as links to read up on. I promise to do my research and try and answer my own questions but per Connie's advice she also said you guys will be more than willing to help. Please hang in there with me if I ask questions that may have already been answered and any suggestions and advice I will accept graciously. I am really glad I made this decision as my hound has done well so far. I changed him over a couple weeks ago, very slowly but I did it.
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Re: Taking the Plunge into the World of RAW
[Re: Carol Boche ]
#118959 - 11/27/2006 07:23 PM |
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....per Connie's advice she also said you guys will be more than willing to help. ....
Not only that, but it's only fair that this extremely supportive forum gets to share in the glow of satisfaction!
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Re: Taking the Plunge into the World of RAW
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You will be thrilled at how well your dogs will thrive!!! Good for you. Once you get the hang of it there isn't much to it.
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#118979 - 11/27/2006 09:58 PM |
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Have fun with it!
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Re: Taking the Plunge into the World of RAW
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#119011 - 11/28/2006 08:34 AM |
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Congratulations Carol! You will never be sorry, nor will your animals. Connie is right - we are extremely happy whenever we get some "converts." And, feel free to ask away!
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Re: Taking the Plunge into the World of RAW
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#119138 - 11/29/2006 10:31 AM |
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Two people that I know very well got their deer two days ago and brought me the carcass (ribcage, legs and all the bigger bones with meat left on) and cuts of meat that they did not want and also picked throught the gut pile and brought me the heart, kidneys and liver. (Can I feed this also?)
It has been outside and is froze solid due to the temps here being 20 or less as a daily high.
Can I start to feed this even thought the dogs are fairly new to raw? They are doing well on a raw chicken, turkey, veggie and THK diet. I have also been giving them recreational beef bones from the meat locker.
Thanks
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Re: Taking the Plunge into the World of RAW
[Re: Carol Boche ]
#119140 - 11/29/2006 10:50 AM |
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Two people that I know very well got their deer two days ago and brought me the carcass (ribcage, legs and all the bigger bones with meat left on) and cuts of meat that they did not want and also picked throught the gut pile and brought me the heart, kidneys and liver. (Can I feed this also?)
It has been outside and is froze solid due to the temps here being 20 or less as a daily high.
Can I start to feed this even thought the dogs are fairly new to raw? They are doing well on a raw chicken, turkey, veggie and THK diet. I have also been giving them recreational beef bones from the meat locker.
Thanks
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I never have any deer, so no experience here. However, every web site I have read about raw mentions deer.
Check out this description of heart:
http://www.rawdogranch.com/musclemeat.htm
As someone on this forum pointed out, heart is a muscle, so I'm not sure of whether it's considered muscle or organ meat. I looked it up and found 5 answers: 3 one way and 2 the other.
I would go slowly with a red meat like this that's so much richer and fattier than poultry, just to avoid any little diarrhea issues. (Every food that I ever thought caused diarrhea ended up fine if I slowed down the addition.)
I'd also keep in mind the organ meat ratio of 5-10% if you have some huge organ amount.
Nice! Free food!
P.S. I forgot to add before that freezing (also canning) breaks down those cell walls in produce, so when I am feeding frozen produce I do not bother to cook or process it. I watched my dogs for a while when I first fed frozen produce (which is also blanched, of course) without any processing or cooking at all, and there was no gas or big fat poops like dogs on grainy foods might have. JMO.
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Re: Taking the Plunge into the World of RAW
[Re: Carol Boche ]
#119142 - 11/29/2006 10:57 AM |
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Two people that I know very well got their deer two days ago and brought me the carcass (ribcage, legs and all the bigger bones with meat left on) and cuts of meat that they did not want and also picked throught the gut pile and brought me the heart, kidneys and liver. (Can I feed this also?)
IMO, I would keep the ribcage for actual food and use the legs and larger bones as recreational bones. Cut off all the meat you can and bag that separately as part of your muscle meat. Keep the kidneys and liver as part of your organ meats. I, for one, believe that the heart is a muscle and can be grouped together with muscle meat (hamburger, ground turkey/deer, etc.)
Since muscle meat is more fatty, I would introduce that more slowly than the ribcage. Just add a piece or two with your regular meat and let the dog get used to it. If you see some runny stools, cut back a bit and work up to it. Do everything slowly at first until all different foods are introduced - that is the key. Then you can pick and chose how you want to mix your meals. Organ meat is organ meat - use your usual percentage.
If you are using marrow bones, remember to scoop out as much of the marrow as you can because it is very rich and may cause diarrhea if given too much.
Lucky for you to get some fresh free food!! Stock up that freezer!
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Re: Taking the Plunge into the World of RAW
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#119145 - 11/29/2006 11:13 AM |
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Cool,
I saw some stuff on deer meat also, but I guess my concern is to make sure I do not overdo it at first. The Bloodhound will only get a little tidbit or a recreational bone for a while as he is doing well at losing his weight and not acting like I am starving him.
The Lab, Dutchie/Mal and the Mal are all good as far as weight and conditioning so I do not have a problem there. (yes, smack me, I have acquired two more dogs for training)
Yeah, I have figured out that hunting season is a bonus for me now with being on raw diet. Free food is okay with me. We also have a friend who raises Buffalo for hunts and he has agreed to save some meat out of that for us.
I have been feeding frozen veggies all along and have been blanching them first also :-) No issues with gas either.
Thanks a bunch
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Re: Taking the Plunge into the World of RAW
[Re: Carol Boche ]
#119208 - 11/29/2006 08:55 PM |
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freeze wild game at 0 F or colder for at least ten days before feeding it. do not feed any part of a wild animal's GI tract. heart can be counted as an organ meat, but also fed as muscle meat.
leg bones are very hard and can crack teeth, so i'd just get the meat off them and then throw them away. deer heads are great food, btw! just remember to deep freeze for ten days, minimum.
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