I am inquiring about working rottweilers.

I have searched this forum extensively on this subject and have summarized what I have found. I am hoping that someone may offer additional refferals or advice on this subject.

Looking for a 'hard' working dog with sound temperament to be trained as PPD/Area Guard. Would the best course of action be to
1) buy a puppy from good lines,
2) buy a temperament tested young adult, or
3) buy a titled young adult.
If you would suggest a titled dog, what type of title do you reccomend the dog have.

Breeders/Importers reccomended on this forum:
Schloss Hexental http://users.skynet.be/hexental/index.html
Von Ruelmann Rottweilers, Inc. http://vr-rottweilers.com/
VonSederhaus Rottweilers http://www.vonsederhausrotts.com/
von der Adams Rottweilers http://www.vonderadams.com/
vom Neuenschloss http://www.4rottweilers.com/

Working Bloodlines reccomended on this forum:
SchwaigerWappen
Teufelsbrucke
Burgthann

Reference info found on this forum:
Rottweiler Breed Survey - 2002 Top 30 Studs in Germany
http://www.aniwa.com/renvoie.asp?type=1&id=100875&cid=93031&com=1&animal=0&lang=2

Any further advice or referrals on this would be greatly appreciated.

Hi, James.

Do you have a good trainer or club near you? I would suggest staying away from buying a pup with the intention of ppd. The odds are too high of the pup crapping out.

First, I would recommend looking at the pros and con of owning a trained ppd (liability and home insurance allot of companies will not cover Rotties}

Second finding a trainer/club with good helper/decoy that's fairly close to help train and maintain training is key.

Third buying a young green male dog if good trainer and helpers are available will save you some money.

Fourth, if you don't have trainer/helper close buy a trained adult. Titles are nice but doesn't mean it will be able to do real life protection. If, buying a titled dog ask to have it tested at neutral site with a helper you'll bring to test civil nature with hidden sleeve preferably bite suit.

If the seller doesn't offer a training course for you and your family stay with the dog look elsewhere. I'm sure Will Rambeau or some of the others can and will give you better insight on what to expect from a seller/broker.

Will posted last year how long it would take him to find a suitable Rottie ppd candidate. I can't remember how long he said but it was fairly long time. You might want to pm him. Until, recently he was training and selling ppd dogs. Now, I read he's studying to be a chef. Bon Appetite.

James,

I met Guy Verschatse of Schloss Hexental when he came to Peoria IL to do a seminar. He is an excellent trainer and an awsome helper. Can not say how he is to do bussiness with but I think I would talk with him if I was looking for a rott.

I think Tracy covered most of it as regards giving yourself the best shot.

I'm sure Guy Verschatse would be happy to talk to you - even if you're not going to get a puppy off him, he might know of some suitable young dogs. His stud Bodo is not known for being overly friendly!!

I probably don't agree about the 3 German kennels mentioned - they are excellent kennels, but not particularly known for producing great working dogs. If you want dogs that produced strong temeperamnt I would look at Arri von Hertener Wappen and Aki von der Peeler Hutte.

You may also want to check out this site. I have worked many of his dogs and although not a huge rotti fan he has some awesome dogs with what I'm told are top blood lines. Very real dogs!!!

http://www.steinbrucke.com

or try this one if that link wont work

http://steinbrucke.com


Jason

Excellent advice, Tracy.

I'm a training instructor myself and this info is actually for a past client and friend of mine. He is an experienced dog handler and has owned working boxers and I believe dobes in the past. He will train the basic ob. with any guidance from me as needed. I will step in as decoy for the PPD/area guard training when the time is right. I've been training ob. for three years and working with PPD's for about the last year and a half. However, I am looking at the dog sport world with a lot interest, that is why I joined this forum. I see a lot of experienced trainers and dog people here that I hope to learn from.

My friend had already purchased a area guard dog from another facility that took advantage of him. They are currently in court over the dog's quality of training, health, and service issues. The rottie was not ideally suited for guard work but is turning into a confident PPD since I started to work with him last fall. This rottie is now part of the family and not going anyplace, but he is still looking for another dog that will fulfill the role of area guard.

The main reason he wants this is because he was a victim of a break in that almost could have taken his life. Actually, the criminals were apprehended a few days later, but, only after shooting and killing another innocent victim of another break in. He feared for the safety of his family and he loves dogs, so an area guard dog became a very appealing idea.

As far as our choices, I believe you are 100% right about choosing a green/trained young adult. Best option by far...you know exactly what you getting ounce temperament tested.

What I am really looking for is good reccomendations for where to get a quality dog. There a lot of cons, as you know, and I don't want to put any of my friends or clients in touch with them.

Your thoughts on the subject are greatly appreciated. Thank you Tracy.

 Quote: Jason Sidener

I met Guy Verschatse of Schloss Hexental when he came to Peoria IL to do a seminar. He is an excellent trainer and an awsome helper. Can not say how he is to do bussiness with but I think I would talk with him if I was looking for a rott.

 Quote: IanForbes

I'm sure Guy Verschatse would be happy to talk to you - even if you're not going to get a puppy off him, he might know of some suitable young dogs. His stud Bodo is not known for being overly friendly!!

I probably don't agree about the 3 German kennels mentioned - they are excellent kennels, but not particularly known for producing great working dogs. If you want dogs that produced strong temeperamnt I would look at Arri von Hertener Wappen and Aki von der Peeler Hutte.

Good to know, thank you much!....And I'm going to check out those bloodlines. Good Info.

 Quote: Jason Demko

You may also want to check out this site. I have worked many of his dogs and although not a huge rotti fan he has some awesome dogs with what I'm told are top blood lines. Very real dogs!!! *****See original post for links*****

Keep'em coming. I can't tell everbody how much I appreciate your posts.

Here is where I got my working Rott from: http://www.rottpuppies.com

Just wanted to add my two cents here..I Imported a pup from Guy of Hexental Kennels. From MY Experience with Guy he is VERY HONEST!

If you want to contact him he is short in his E mails . He is very busy. The best way to "talk: with him is on the phone he is very nice and WEALTH of Knowlegde!!

As far as my pup she is out of Bodo vom Schloss Hexental and Askija Von Shambala ( FULL Litter sister to Amassador ) She is a a Balou vom Silberblick and Cleopatra Von Hammerbachtal daughter.

She is a firecracker! and one thing I really was not expecting is that she looks GREAT!! She is only 6 mos old right now. I took her to the USRC Nationals (Not Entered). A lot of the people there that saw her really liked her.

I hope to keep you posted on how she does on the Shutzhund feild when she gets on it!

Her temperment is GREAT! I have two small children almost 5 and an 8 mos old . She is great with them . I can be playing ruff with her and as soon as my kids enter the room she calms right down and starts licking them ! She is already showing me she has that On/Off switch.

She unlike her daddy Bodo is very social ! Askija is said to be very social so im sure that is where she gets it. Im just letting her be a puppy right now but were are going to have to get in gear pretty soon and start doin some work.

As far as the "list " above I would have to add Herrenholz kennel for working dogs and also Ter Waele.

Bodos Father is Ter Wale Posse.

There is a member of my club with a very nice Rottie.

If you saw this dog out of his kennel in public, you'd feel he was a big mushball.

When he is working in the protection phase of schutzhund, he is INTENSE. I mean REALLY, REALLY intense.

The dog is from a breeder in upstate NY.

By the way, his owner is an experienced Rottweiler owner.