I know someone that anticipated a very desired breeding. The breeding was two APBTs. The female was bred on her first heat for reasons I don't quite understand yet. However the birth was long and complicated, she had 4 pups, 2 girls and 2 boys. The boys were born dead hours apart from the first two females. The new mother refused to nurse the females...neither pup survived the bottle feeding. Several suggestions were given to improve the chances of the survivng pups. One was to muzzle the mother so she could not bite the pups as they tried to nurse. Even so the females had difficulty latching on to the mother. For those that breed when a mother behaves this way is it just inexerience or is this natures way of culling pups that are not quite right? I ask simply because this was thrown out as a reason perhaps the pups did not make it and I had never heard of anything like that.
The breeding on the first heat was for the sake of preserving a desired bloodline...not sure if it pertinent but I just found out why she was not held her first heat.
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From what I know, you do not breed on a first heat because the bitch is too young herself, AND, you cannot tell what physical issues she has or may have, not to mention temperament issues, that can be passed on to her pups, when she is that young. (I am assuming this bitch was under a year old if it was first heat)
I would agree with inexperience also to an extent as she was a baby herself.
Not sure about the "preserving a bloodline" thing. I would want to make sure there were no temperament or physical issues that would render the bloodline worthless in the long run first.
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I'm not really qualified to answer (zero breeding experience), but Carol's answer makes sense to me. Some bitches just also don't seem to be great mothers, from what I hear.
In terms of the preserving the bloodline matter, were they afraid the bitch would die before she was old enough to breed? With artificial insemination technology, I would think they could have just done that and thus been able to wait until she's older. Well, too late now!
I have no love for people that breed dogs that are still in their puppy stage, first heat can come as young as 4 motnhs of age to a year ect.. I hope if anything it was at a year. But still ridiculous to me that anyone would breed a female that young.There are no shortage of dogs out there, why rush if your priority is the " breed" let's not forget health? I don't believe that at a year anyone knows what their dog will pass on to their off springs , rather it's temperament, health, diposition ect.. A terrible code of ethics IMO
I have to say much of the input you all have issued was echoed by the folks that know and breed APBTs....I had never heard of a preservation breeding and since I don't breed (and even I knew about the first heat) I was amazed at some of the reasons that were offered for why she would not nurse the pups. I think I believe it was because she was a pup herself. It has been expressed to this person that it was a good thing the bitch was not lost as well. Anyway I know breeding is neither easy or cheap, so what a shame to lose the little ones for the owner and the babies....I suppose that is why they say "patience is a virtue"...**sigh**
Not sure if it was because of the age or not, but I would not breed a dog that acted that way towards her pups. Makes me wonder if she was bottle fed herself because her mother had issues.
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