Hi, My dog frankie came from the shelter about 3 months ago. Chow mix he is. I'm sure they loaded him up with vaccines and all maner of nasty stuff. He supposedly had kennel cough and was on antibiotics which I discontinued in favor of Vit C and Garlic. He never did cough at my house. But he has a discharge from his eyes that will not stop. Yellowish and stringy (like a bacterial infection) He has been on a BARF diet since I got him and his general energy is awsome. I think this may be the result of vaccinations but I don't know. Any ideas for treatment out there folks? I would appreciate it mucho. Thanks

I would think the anitbiotics you took him off of would have handled what you suspect to be an eye infection, IF the dosage was strong enough.

Personally, I wouldn't mess with something as important and serious as the eye. Call the shelter and see if they will cover vet costs for you to take him to your own vet. If not, take the dog anyway and get him checked out professionally.

IMO - It may be something quite simple (eye boogies?) but I wouldn't second-guess "what it could be based" on feedback from individuals who have not seen what is it you've described and have no health history of your dog.

I did take him in for a free vet check and mentioned it to the vet who didn't think it was worth answering the question. I don't often trust what a vet has to say because I know how much more money is important to them than my dog. If you think this isn't true try to question a vet about the harmfulness of vaccinations, and the use of antibiotics for every little thing.

That is NOT true for the majority of vets out there. There are good vets, and there are bad vets. You need to find a vet you can trust and talk to. A good vet is as good a friend to you as a good trainer.

I would feel more comfortable soliciting info from a vet than over the internet, that's for sure. :rolleyes:

Well I just guess well have to disagree on this one. Although I have only had about 6 vets for experience they have all been about the same. I like them for physical injuries and that's about it. Like Modern Human Physicians they are trained by the pharmasuitical companys. The advice most vets give is what the drug companies have told them, and most often it is about $$$$. Very few vets are willing to search outside the box. I am sure there are some though. As for finding advice on the internet. It's a great source of info if you don't rely only on that. There are alot of good books out there also on natural care of dogs, cats, ect. It is worthwhile to educate yourself so you don't have to rely only on what your vet says. In the past most folks home treated their pets often with good results. I learned more about the dangers of vaccines from Ed Frawleys website. I'll take his word over my vet because I've done some reasearch myself. I use this forum for information. I don't have to use it. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

OK, John, we'll agree to disagree, like adults. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

Have you tried to find a holistic vet in your area? Google American Association of Holistic vets (or something like that) and it will give you a listing.

I am very fortunate to have a vet who considers me a collaborator in my dogs' care, not just a consumer. She is open to traditional as well as holistic practices, as long as it is in the best interests of the patient, and informs me when something is beyond her experience, e.g., very few raw feeders in the area, and she was able to supply a reference for some questions I had.

I have to drive 30 miles to go and see her, but it is well worth the drive. And I have an in town vet who I use for surgical and immediate physical needs.


Some doctors (for humans and animals) ARE in it for the money, but I don't see too many docs getting rich these days; most don't consider it worth it to continue practice, by the time stress, schooling, internship, malpractice insurance and lawsuits are factored in. They go work for research or...the drug companies.

Just FYI (in reference to your question <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> ), my dog was so stressed from the shelter experience he had goo coming out of his eyes for months, plus all manner of skin supurations. It may be a bacterial infection that the antibiotics didn't cover, or a clogged duct, or stress. In my dog's case, it was stress.

That's what my vet said, at least. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

Thanks Melissa, Stress and it lasted for months! Now that's the info I was lookin for. That may not be it but it sounds right. Frankie was very stressed as he was at the Shelter for over a month. His overall energy is very high now and that is the reason I have not been too worried up to this point. I'm not the kind of guy that freaks out when my dog gets a hangnail.My sister on the other hand says she averages over $8000 per year in vet bills,her poor dogs are all neurotic. I look at the energy of the dog first off, if it's good I put off worry. And just to beat this horse and make sure he's dead, Doctors are not making money anymore because they let go of the control of their profession, again to drug companies and such. Sounds like your vet is very good. I'm glad you found her. So thanks again for your imput. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

John,
Personally, I'm getting tired of you talking out your a*s.
Your quote:
"Like Modern Human Physicians they are trained by the pharmasuitical companys"

shows me that you have *zero* knowledge about the training of physicians ( I have a degree as a physician's assistant, and my wife is a physician ) . In all the years that I was in medical school ( PA's take about 80% of the same classes that physician do, we sit side by side in the same class room ) at *no* time was I trained "by the pharmasuitical companys" in your words. That comment is ignorant in the extreme. How about just not talking about something that you obviously don't know about, ok? Or are you simply spreading lies for a purpose of your own? Which is it, dumb, or a liar? I'd like to know.

And oddly, I see that you list your Occupation as "supplements specialist/buyer" - and here you are, bad mouthing modern medicine , which is just by an amazing coincidence .......what you have to compete against to make a living.
Hmmm....you couldn't have a bias due to financial reasons, could you? :rolleyes:

And I'm certain that you give away all those supplements to people, right? The advice that you give people wouldn't lead them to... oh, say..maybe buy your product instead? After all, the doctors and vets are all greedy and just are "about $$$$", in your words. I'm sure that you do your job just out of Christian duty, right?

Proper nutrition has it's place, but to rely on "home treatments" as you suggest is simply the ranting of an uneducated and ignorant person with a hidden financial agenda to boot.


Oh, and one more thing. When you told us about your episode of animal abuse ( and denying you dog medical care *is* abuse ) you said : "was on antibiotics which I discontinued" here's what happens - the dosing of antibiotics goes on for 10 days ( usually ) because the bacteria that are killed in the first few days are the largest population and most susceptible to the antibiotic. There's a big improvement in this period. The last several days of treatment are to kill the more resistant bacteria. When a not very bright person ( like you ) stops the antibiotics on a whim, a worse case scenario can be a super-infection when the remaining resistant bacteria now multiple. And guess what, a more powerful antibiotic will need to be prescribed. This is one of the situations from where resistant strains of disease come from, i.e., the non compliant patient. It's dumb to do it to yourself.
It's criminal when you do it to an animal in your care. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />

Boy I sure got you stirred up. And go ahead with your opinion. I disagree with your diatribe almost completely. Of course I have a bias. Don't you? Thats what a discussion and forum is about. By the way I'm not a Christian and didn't know that has anything to do with doing what's right. I don't mind you disagreeing totally or in part. Yet you make it a personal attack. I have nothing against you or anyone else I disagree with. I don't think you are talking out of your #**, it's just your opinion. I don't need to call you names to believe you may not be right.

John,
What kind of name don't you care for - Animal abuser? I thought I explained that pretty well. Let's go with this scenario, shall we? Please, go right ahead and fail to treat a seriously ill animal medically - if Animal Control officers come to your door, they would decide that you were negligent and they would take custody of the animal. I've seen that very scenario played out several dozen times while I was the chairman of a county Animal Control board.
Plus you get to go to court and pay a nice fine, the bonus plan when you won't care for your animal ! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

How about "Liar"? Please, tell me what part of my ( or any physician that I know or have worked with ) medical education consisted of being "trained by the pharmasuitical companys" as you put it. Was I sick that day and missed it?

Tell you what, just go ahead and tell us all *exactly* who teaches the majority of pharmacology classes in the majority of medical schools. Hint..it's not the "pharmasuitical companys".

I posted the scientific reason regarding the proper usage of antibiotics. Does that count towards your statement that "I disagree with your diatribe almost completely."
Ummm....is the use of science a bit too much for you? Those bothersome facts ( you know...things that you can actually check, and have a basis in reality, as opposed to your "opinions" )

Here's another "hint" for you - I base what I write on direct observation and science. I don't have a hidden agenda, and I don't have to post things that are blatantly false to try and make a point, like you do.
I'll use facts, and you can stick to your "opinions", although anybody with a fifth grade education can see through your "BS".

Sorry, I care for neither animal abusers or liars. You're both. Is that personal? Yep. I've been at the trail of animal abusers several times, and I greatly enjoyed watching them face legal punishment. Somebody has to be on the animal's side in some cases.
Hopefully, when you gain the attention of your area's animal control folks, they'll have the same satisfaction in dealing with you.