Dee Dee Strand wrote 02/20/2007 02:45 PM Search and Rescue #130088 - 02/20/2007 02:45 PM
Dee Dee Strand Webboard User Reg: 04-23-2003 Posts: 178 Loc: Wisconsin Offline	I am considering training my ESS in S&R, he has very smart and VERY DRIVEN and I would like to do something other then Agility and Obedience with him. But I was wondering about vaccines. I do not give my dogs any vaccines other then rabies and because he just had a bout with IMHA I will not give him his vaccines period-I would prefer not even to risk a chance with rabies. My vet is going to try to get an excemption certificate for him from the state, but my gut feeling is telling me that this will eliminate my chances of doing this with him. Could anyone who is currently affiliated with doing S&R tell me what the vaccine requirements are for this? A dog is the only thing on earth that loves you more than he loves himself. -Josh Billings
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Michael Hadsell wrote 02/20/2007 10:28 PM Re: Search and Rescue [Re: Dee Dee Strand ] #130153 - 02/20/2007 10:28 PM
Michael Hadsell Webboard User Reg: 02-19-2005 Posts: 19 Loc: Englewood, FL Offline	Hey Dee Dee I am working with Sarasota K9 SAR and I have to tell you that all SAR units have different requitements. You first have to find the unit near you and get the SOP and By laws to find out what they are looking for in a dog. IF they are wilderness group then your dog may be a good fit, but if they are doing urban and human remains they will have different criteria. Since we recently had a K9 struck by a rattlesnake, we are looking into vaccines to help boost the immune system for that problem. So a lot depends on the type of mission they are training for.....Good luck and let me know if I can be of any futher help... Michael Hadsell Englewood, FL Don't Blame them---Train them!!!
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Konnie Hein wrote 02/20/2007 10:39 PM Re: Search and Rescue [Re: Dee Dee Strand ] #130154 - 02/20/2007 10:39 PM
Konnie Hein Webboard User Reg: 03-24-2006 Posts: 413 Loc: Connecticut Offline	The vaccine requirements will depend on the team you plan to join. Different teams have different requirements. Not trying to sound too negative or harsh here(and not trying to take this off topic), but the tone of your post prompts me to say: S&R is not something that a person should do as a hobby in order to keep their smart/driven dog happy and exercised. Canine S&R is a very serious "mission" a person chooses to accept, and then that person selects the correct tool (meaning a canine) for the job. More often than not, the correct tool is not the pooch lying at your feet. Also, most people who entertain the idea of doing SAR with their dog as a hobby find out it is a lifestyle. Apologies if I misunderstood your post and for directing my opinions on this at you, Dee Dee, but it is something I feel very strongly about. http://www.laforgemalinois.com
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Bob Scott wrote 02/21/2007 12:33 AM Re: Search and Rescue [Re: Konnie Hein ] #130159 - 02/21/2007 12:33 AM
Bob Scott Moderator Reg: 06-14-2002 Posts: 7417 Loc: St. Louis Mo Offline	First off, ditto with Konnie's comments. Second, the SAR team I was involved with crossed state lines often. We had to have vaccination records with us at all times because of this. Getting exemptions from the state your in won't mean squat in another state. old dogs LOVE to learn new tricks
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Dee Dee Strand wrote 02/21/2007 08:51 AM Re: Search and Rescue [Re: Bob Scott ] #130181 - 02/21/2007 08:51 AM
Dee Dee Strand Webboard User Reg: 04-23-2003 Posts: 178 Loc: Wisconsin Offline	Konnie and Old Earth you are 100% after re-reading my post, you are correct I did not come as serious as I am about doing this. I completely understand that this is not a hobby but it will become a job and part of our life for my dog and myself. He definitely needs a job and I am a just now being to try and find one for him. Michael thank you so much for your response, at least it has pointed me in the right direction, if my dog is not right for this type of a job, then so be it and I will continue searching for a more suitable one, but if he is, then I will go after it full force, I will keep you posted. A dog is the only thing on earth that loves you more than he loves himself. -Josh Billings
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alice oliver wrote 02/21/2007 01:00 PM Re: Search and Rescue [Re: Dee Dee Strand ] #130221 - 02/21/2007 01:00 PM
alice oliver Webboard User Reg: 09-14-2005 Posts: 843 Loc: Offline	dee dee, i looked into SAR with my dog for the same reasons. i called up the local SAR team to inquire about it and was told pretty much what konnie and old earth dog are saying here. the first thing they said was my dog was too old (he was 9 mos old at the time). they like to start puppies very young. they also said if your dog is bonded with you he probably isn't a good candidate. a dog that discriminates between his owner and other people won't be successful at SAR. so says my local SAR team. other states may have other requirements or views on the matter. you might want to make your first step contacting the local SAR team and see if they would even take you and your dog. working Mastiff
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Mara Jessup wrote 02/21/2007 01:31 PM Re: Search and Rescue [Re: alice oliver ] #130227 - 02/21/2007 01:31 PM
Mara Jessup Webboard User Reg: 12-28-2005 Posts: 2316 Loc: Offline	Quote: alice oliver the first thing they said was my dog was too old (he was 9 mos old at the time). they like to start puppies very young. they also said if your dog is bonded with you he probably isn't a good candidate. a dog that discriminates between his owner and other people won't be successful at SAR. so says my local SAR team. Wow, I've never heard that before. When I inquired about a 3 yr vaccination protocol, my local group said as long as my vet OK's it, they're fine with it. So I plan on having my dog vaccinated every three years and spreading out shots as much as I can. I prefer a 5-7 year spread for vaccinations, but that's not going to work at this point. I figure the risk of vaccinations is part of being involved with SAR. The group also doesn't have a problem with me starting out with a 2 y/o dog, as long as he shows aptitude for it. K-9 Knitter
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Konnie Hein wrote 02/21/2007 01:53 PM Re: Search and Rescue [Re: alice oliver ] #130232 - 02/21/2007 01:53 PM
Konnie Hein Webboard User Reg: 03-24-2006 Posts: 413 Loc: Connecticut Offline	Quote: alice oliver dee dee, i looked into SAR with my dog for the same reasons. i called up the local SAR team to inquire about it and was told pretty much what konnie and old earth dog are saying here. the first thing they said was my dog was too old (he was 9 mos old at the time). they like to start puppies very young. they also said if your dog is bonded with you he probably isn't a good candidate. a dog that discriminates between his owner and other people won't be successful at SAR. so says my local SAR team. Most SAR teams will accept a new dog for training as long as it has the right stuff and is relatively young (generally less than 2 years of age). This also depends on any prior training (less is sometimes better). In fact, a whole lot of SAR people will obtain/import a dog that is around a year of age because puppies are generally a gamble. I've never heard of any SAR team refusing a dog because it was "too old" at 9 mos of age. That's just plain ridiculous. I started training my currently FEMA certified dog when he was 3 years of age. My current dog-in-training was 10 months old when I acquired him. And, I don't know of any successful SAR dogs that don't have a bond with their handler. Certainly a dog that won't leave your side isn't suitable for SAR, but that has more to do with nerves (or perhaps previous training) than it does with "bonding." Alice, if you're really serious about doing SAR, I would recommend that you find another group if possible. Once again, sorry to take this so off-topic. http://www.laforgemalinois.com
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alice oliver wrote 02/21/2007 02:44 PM Re: Search and Rescue [Re: Konnie Hein ] #130238 - 02/21/2007 02:44 PM
alice oliver Webboard User Reg: 09-14-2005 Posts: 843 Loc: Offline	konnie, thanks for the information! i wish i had talked to you earlier. now my dog will be five years old in april, and i think it is probably too late. well, also, there is only one group here, that i know of. i guess each group has its own way of doing things. working Mastiff
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Dee Dee Strand wrote 02/21/2007 03:18 PM Re: Search and Rescue [Re: alice oliver ] #130244 - 02/21/2007 03:18 PM
Dee Dee Strand Webboard User Reg: 04-23-2003 Posts: 178 Loc: Wisconsin Offline	I am going to talk with my neighbor tonight, he is head of animal control at the police station and see if he knows who locally in my state I would need to talk to to get this started, at least have them evaluate him. With his nerves and trainability I think he would do very well with this. Then talk to my vet about the vaccines. Thanks for all your replies guys! A dog is the only thing on earth that loves you more than he loves himself. -Josh Billings
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