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#12565 - 05/20/2002 09:27 AM |
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let me preface by saying that I, like many others, do not believe in yearly vaccs. But, the fact remains that some of us sometimes have to board our dogs. There in lies the rub. The kennel owners require vaccs, and I have yet to find a decent one that even knows what titers are, let alone accept them.
That being said, I must vaccinate this year. Here's the question. Someone once posted something on the Bordatella, injection v. nasal and had some statistics as to why to only go with the nasal. something about efficacy or injeciton site tumors. The reason I ask is that my current vet, and my backup vet only do the injection now. I'm in a time crunch for boarding, should I go with it this year or try and find one that still uses the nasal?
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#12566 - 05/20/2002 09:55 AM |
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I don't know too much about the Bordatella injection, but I do know that the nasal vaccine has been known to cause cancer of the nasal passages.
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#12567 - 05/20/2002 02:14 PM |
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Where can information relative to cancer in the nose caused by bordatella vaccine be reviewed. I've spoken with several veterinarians that treat our dogs and none of them have ever seen anything in the literature referencing this as a problem. Two of the vet's are making inquiries with their drug supplier. I've never heard of it in the 30+ years i've been working with detector dogs but as you can imagine, cancer in the nose of a detector dog is not something we need. With nearly 50 working dogs on the street, I'd like to see any research data that indicates such a problem.
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#12568 - 05/20/2002 02:55 PM |
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DFrost,
Two of my holistic veterinarians told me to avoid intranasal Bordatella vaccines for this reason. I believe I also read something about this in one of the books I have. I'm not 100% certain of that, but I will see if I can find this for you. Please bear with me. If it was in one of the books, it may take me awhile to locate the information....my books are scattered pretty far and wide. I have allowed numerous family members to borrow my books and they are currently spread out across a tri-state area <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
I will get back to you on this.
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#12569 - 05/20/2002 03:31 PM |
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A search of Med line, the information database of the National Institute of Health, did not come up with a single reference (peer-reviewed journal articles) that included the "kennel cough" vacc. and cancer. Over 10K hits were found searching with dogs and cancer as keywords - so this database apparently covers most, if not all, of the veterinary research journals as well.
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#12570 - 05/20/2002 06:19 PM |
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Am I allowed to post a short excerpt from a book if I give the proper credit, or am I only allowed to tell you where I read this? I found what I was looking for, and although it doesn't say exactly that Bordatella DOES cause nasal cancer, the vet says he strongly believes it does, and then goes on to describe a particular case. Ed or Moderator (I'm not sure who moderates this topic), please let me know exactly what I'm allowed to post.
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#12571 - 05/20/2002 06:30 PM |
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Chad,
Like you, I've researched several peer article and sites, no one addresses the issue of cancer and a relation to the bordatella vaccine in any way. Until then, I guess I'll just keep on requiring it's usage. Having a dog unavailable for work because of a commone cold, (LOL) is not something I really care to think about. Thank you for your input.
DFrost
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#12572 - 05/20/2002 06:40 PM |
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Oh how I love being ignored. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> Until I get my answer as to how much I'm allowed to post, I'll tell you that the text I am referring to is found on page 92 the book "The Nature of Animal Healing," by Martin Goldstein, D.V.M. I have the highest regard for this man, and also the 2 vets that told me the same thing. For anyone who is interested in learning more about the effects of vaccinations or holistic care in general, this is a must have book...it is fantastic and Ed sells it on the website.
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#12573 - 05/20/2002 06:58 PM |
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I say post away and make sure to give the author and info again. If it is too long, I'll delete it. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />
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No one ever told you that you couldn't post to begin with. I think it is smart for anyone to question the source of information they get off of a BB.
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