I didn't know where to post this so I apologize if it doesn't belong here. I've been trying to search information on pure PPD's. I've been reading about schutzhund, ring sports and PSA. I've talked to people here in MN in those local clubs and everybody tells me and everything I've read says sport is very different than real protection work. Would somebody please guide me where to look or talk to about doing real life PP? What does it take and where does one start? I'd appreciate any comments or info. From what I've searched PSA seems to be the more "realistic" out of the three. Thanks.

enrique.

I am also interested in this. I compare sports and can see how some "routines" may not actually be testing a dog's ability to protect.

Which sport is the most "realistic" to prepare the dog for real life situatons?

What about sports does not mimic real-life, therefore not contributing to a ppd's training?

What types of scenarios and in what fashion whould you need to practive & train to prepare a dog to actually protect you in real life?

I think I might have opened a can of worms but I really want to learn from people who know what they are doing. Like Ed has said karate class is different than a street fight. How can I teach my dog to be a street fighter. I do understand that it takes a very special kind of dog (please someone elaborate on this!).

I do not intend to train a ppd currently. Just want to learn.
Thanks!


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I'm with Allison and I LOVE the analogy. I practice jiu jitsu and boxing and it's very different (although it's sport too) than karate (coreographed stuff ). I want my dog to be a fighter not a "performer". Feel free to give us advice. Thanks.

For what purpose do you want a "fighter"?

A dog that is properly trained, shouldn't have to be used as a fighter-should just give one helluva bluff enough to make whoever or whatever is intruding leave. Not everyone needs a PPD or a dog trained for that purpose. There is numerous hours of training and "up-keep" on that training. Not every aspect of training for PPD, Schutzhund, etc. seems like it would make sense in a "real life", as you said, situation. But how do you think police K9's are trained?
What are your reasons for making your dog become a "street fighter"? I don't know exactly what you mean by this, but what I get from it doesn't paint a good picture in my mind's eye. MHO, seems like you want a fighting dog. I know I am probably WAY off base here and I'm sorry, but that's how I interpreted it.

What does "street fighter" mean to you?

Enrique, I know exactly what you mean by "fighter".True, a ppd is a "fighting dog" in the fight.You will see some PPD that stay for the fight and some that say "cya"and beat you to the front door. And that is why you really don't get anyone for that matter that says here is PPD training only.There are different levels of PPD.PPD goes along with your life style.If you are the type of guy that encounters trouble face on often and need a dog to help you out to get your gun , to use your phone etc..,then your PPD will need the type of training that teaches a dog to fight ,if you will.But for someone who owns a small jewelry store(let's say) and wants to have a PPD in the store with the owner, well that PPD may just be the type of dog that shows a strong and defensive presence but does not fight(for liability purpose) And I know 2 different individuals that bought , own a PPD and both dogs are night and day in their training but perfect for what their purpose is ..does that make sense? Like for instance, my oldest dog is my PPD , and he can search my house(by command) up to down for anyone hiding in my house.My PPD training on my dog was for me and my life style and the things that I needed from my PPD.amoung other things, but PPD is really by design, the need for and what level of PPD can you handle.I don't think their is a true definition of a PPD by one thing.You also have to have the right kind of dog , nerves ect... but as far as the training I really think that there are different levels of PPD.Personal Protection Dogs can have many definition.
By the way Jujitsu huh, my boys do Brazilian jujitsu and so doe smy husband, he has competed a few times...But for everyone that is questioning Enrique about the a PPd as a fighter, he is on the right track fight drive is a great thing to have in your dog

Did you guys even read Alison's post? It's an ANALOGY!!! No, I do NOT intend to have a dog that fights. Dog fighting is absolutely repulsive. I mean "fighter" in the sense that he/she will protect for real. If you want to believe a schh dog will protect when the heat is on, well I'm not absolutely sure about that. Do I need a dog that will protect my family from harm? Yes. Absolutely. And at the risk of sounding politically incorrect, I will say that if anybody intends to do harm to my family or property they can go a round with my dog. Not all of us live in suburban America. Not all of us want to buy a gun to protect ourselves. Believe or not, there are a few of us (besides law enforcement and such) that need working dogs for real and not just as a weekend club to spend time with our buddies. And BTW, yes you're way off base. I'm trying to learn to make a smart choice and decision from people that know their s**t.

THx Ang... you did get it...

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. If you want to believe a schh dog will protect when the heat is on, well I'm not absolutely sure about that.

THAT IS SO TRUE 100%