I know everyone hates to generalize but still.

Consider GSDs and Malinois from working European lines. The dogs are completely green (i.e. have no SchH or any kind of protection training).

Which breed is likely to have more raw courage?

Come now, are you trying to start a riot!!!???, those who prefer GSD's will say GSD's those that prefer Mals will say Mals.

Hee hee Susan Riot is right!! .....how about "It depends on the individual dog"
But I do prefer Mals.

Ooops, I forgot about Fetz and Arras....sorry guys. You can put me in a bite suit for punishment if you want.....

Well, then let's say I'd like to hear from those who love both breeds equally well.

I don't think there is a better answer than "it depends on the dog". Both breeds when well bred have more than enough courage one isn't more courageous than the other.

Well I like Shepherds so much better.I don't know that malinois are pure anymore, I see many and they never look the same height, weight, head structure ect..
I would stick to a shepherd, but that is my preference! not a fact..

define courage as it pertains to a dog?

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Well I like Shepherds so much better.I don't know that malinois are pure anymore, I see many and they never look the same height, weight, head structure ect..
I would stick to a shepherd, but that is my preference! not a fact..

When I saw you replying I said....."Uh Oh, I like Angeliques dogs also......"

It really does depend on the dog. Geesh, you could throw in a few other breeds as well for all out courage and tenacity.

Yes, please define courage & how it would be measured.

Good point about defining courage! I need a dog that will stand up (if needed) to a bear or mountain lion.

The point about defining courage reminds me of something that Mrs Kirschental (of Kirschental sheep-herding fame in Germany) once emailed me. She said her husband always thought that the typical Schutzhund-trained dog lacked the courage to take on an entire flock of sheep. Apparently her husband always maintained that if he let his entire flock of sheep out of a small gate with a Schutzhund-trained dog in front of the gate, that dog would bolt when hundreds of sheep were trying to get out of the gate. (I am not saying I agree with Mr Kirschental, just conveying what his wife had emailed me). He said you needed a special dog with courage to keep all the hundreds of sheep from rushing out of the kennel. (The Kirschentals are great people but that being said, personally, I don't think I will buy a dog from their kennel).

I think the dogs in these two videos below show great courage because they are taking on an animal several times their size:

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If you read my post in the thread below you will know a little more about why I need a dog with raw courage. Since this forum has people with awesome knowledge, I thought I will pick your brains on this topic.

It looks like my choice of dogs boils down to between the Malinois and the GSD. But I was wondering which of the two breeds will be more courageous and hold its ground against a bear or a mountain lion. Pls read my post http://www.leerburg.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/136682/page/1#Post136682 to know why I need a dog like that.

Thank you