Are there any thoughts on training a dog to guard another person or a certain area? i.e. like you were outside or going to walk away or needed to leave a minute and you wanted the dog to protect a kid or even another adult or even an area to stand guard what would be the appropriate training technique. To shift the focus from you to something else in other words telling the dog that you are ok in this situation but that you need him to now help out by watching or guarding this “being an object or person or space” until you tell him different. Thanks in advance

well i assume the stay command could be used for that, but i dont have experience in this. im just looking at it logically. if you have an intimidating dog and it knows stay you could for example go to the shop down the road with ur bicycle and the dog and when u go in tell the dog to sit byt the bike and stay then u can go in and get ur things..if anyone saw the dog i doubt they would go near the bike.

I mean no disrespect by this at all Yusrie and maybe my post was a little to vague, but I was talking about a dog that already had PPD work and way past the intimidating stage more advance stages of PPD where there dog may actually have to work or to assume that the dog will have to work not just bark or stay in a “Stay” position.i.e. if it was a kid and in the back yard and the kid movedt the dog would move but still be under a guard command. More like on a “Patrol” command for an estate for the grounds but shorten the area to a room or a person and maybe even an object.

o ok..no disrespect. i thouhgt it was for a dog that was still starting training..my mistake.
i wouldnt know how to do what you are asking. but try and think logically of what commands he does know and what the nature of a dog is..maybe you could come up with a way to do it. thats how i am training my dogs...i try to follow Eds examples and things but different situations and different needs require a bit of alteration to the norm. especialy with a high drive GSD. and also to mention having 2 of them. i sit some days at work calculating risks and different ways of getting them to do what i want.
and so far its been mind boggling but also rewarding. having cmoe up with something on my own and then seeing the results work.
hope that suggestion helps you.

Rick, Ed has an article regarding the training of an object (KNPV training):
http://leerburg.com/knpv3.htm

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Rick, Ed has an article regarding the training of an object (KNPV training):
http://leerburg.com/knpv3.htm

Thank you Sandy, the only issue i have here is that it still seems to be a fixed location on the object..where i was looking more for it to stay with a kid, if the kid moves the dog moves in a guard position, but maybe would still work or the "Stay" meaning the dog stay with the kid or would this still follow under some type of "guard"

Rick, I imagine there's GOT to be PPD trainers on this forum that could give you step by step instructions. I hope they answer you cause I'd love to hear the step by step. Very good question. I would imagine it could be used with a guard command, having taught the dog to guard an inanimate object first. Then transferring that over to a child or other person so the dog moves with the person as they move and doesn't leave their side. It doesn't seem like it would take much to transfer over. But this is merely speculation on my part so would sure like to know how to do it.

If it is a person i wouln't go for the guard of an object but i would be inclined more the defence of handler. I found with my own dogs that thy do this excercise with my wife even without being ordered. Eg when they go walking and someone walks behind them Coby will turn around her to signal that there is someone and he will behave the same as if ordered on the field

Greetings

Johan

The same here Iron is very protective over the entire family but that still not what i am trying to accomplish here it’s more even like a space or object. Here is an example in PPD the dog is expected to “think” on his own here is the case I have my daughter standing 50 feet away from me, keep in mind that she will stay in this spot. I command the dog to down and stay beside her, if a stranger went running up to her for abduction or harm the dog is taught to think on his on to break the down and stay command to engage, to move into defense. This I have no problem.. So now what I am looking for…I have a home invasion I run down the hall the dog follows me I get to my daughters room I see that she is safe I leave the dog in her room with a command like “Guard” so no matter what the dog hears coming from down stairs whether its me yelling in pain or what the dog stands fast to the order of guarding the child or even an object or space what ever with one strong command.

This command has to be as strong for the dog as “OWST” is the training Iron and I do with the OUT command is worked on daily and I really never show him that he does it fast enough that we have to perfect it. So if he bites and I say that’s enough then I want it to stop THEN. When I am training with the OUT command I use the most force in all training and corrections and the most praise but I let him know we are going to practice this everyday.

So what I am trying to do with this is to build the “STRONG BUTTON” command this command over rides everything. When he hears this command the dog looks at it like ok this is as serious as it gets I am suppose to follow it to a T. so now take family out of it. This could be a 70 year old woman that Iron has never seen or maybe a few times. But I said guard it or what ever the command would be.

I would still go for a training similar to "defence of handler" but in this case "defence of a third person" with enough training with distractions (you screaming in another room etc.)this could be done.

Greetings

Johan