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#137832 - 04/12/2007 08:30 AM |
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I need some help...My husband and I adopted a 4 year old altered male GSD from a family that could no longer keep him due to financial issues and having to move to an apartment that won't allow a dog of his size (he is around 110 lbs. Almost as much as I weigh!!). We already have 2 dogs in our home that get along very well with each other (a 9 year old English Cocker Spaniel and an 8 month old Doberman Pinscher). Both of the dogs were socialized (with other dogs and people), well trained and they are absolutely wonderful with our family, friends, etc. The GSD has never really been around other dogs. The first time that he met our dogs, he tried to attack them when they tried to sniff him. But yet when he sniffs them, he's okay as long as they don't look at him or try to reciprocate the gesture. He is very aggressive (lessening some every day) with our Cocker but not so much with the Dobe (he usually ignores him). They seem to be terrified of him though. My Dobe wouldn't even come back into the house this morning until the GSD was not around and the Cocker sits and shakes when he knows that the GSD is anywhere nearby. My main issue is that the first few days that we had him, he seemed great with my 12 year old son and me but all of a sudden he has turned into a "Cujo". He sticks to my husband's side from the time that he gets home from work until he leaves for work again. The dog will not let me or the other dogs get near my husband when he is around. He won't let me near him either when he is with my husband. I have tried to pet him and he growls and bares his teeth to me. If I try to get near my husband, he does the same thing. He hasn't done this to my son yet but I feel that it's just a matter of time. When I try to correct him, he ignores me and goes about his business. When I put him in his crate (he follows a crate command for my husband. I have to repeat 4 times for him to listen). When I close the door on the crate he goes berzerk. Barking, growling, snarling. My husband says that he is just being protective and doesn't understand yet that I am "a safe human". He says that the GSD sees him as the pack leader (yet the other 2 dogs listen very well to me). I have been the "firm one" with this GSD since he moved in but my husband has been the "buddy". I do all of the stuff that this dog seems to hate (baths, brushing...My husband does all the "fun" stuff. Playing, petting constantly when this dog demands attention...) He said that he thinks the dog sees me as being the "big meany" and that is why he is the way he is with me. He thinks that my commanding the dog in a stern voice, and making him stay off the furniture, etc. is making him disrespect me and hate me. My husband lets him get on our bed, the couch, basically anywhere he wants to be. This dog just refuses to be around me when my husband is home. I don't have a chance to pet him or show him affection because he won't have it. My husband says that he got attached to this dog and doesn't really want to get rid of him (it's only been a week so far). The dog is just getting worse every day. He hasn't hurt my son or me yet but I fear that he may. He is extremely possessive of my husband. I think that we should ask the people that we got him from to find someone else to take him (maybe a single person or one that has no other dogs). Sorry that this is so long!! Does anyone have any advice for me???
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#137847 - 04/12/2007 10:04 AM |
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#137849 - 04/12/2007 10:11 AM |
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Sounds like your plate is full. With two other dogs, kids and husband you guys don't have the time, training or experience to deal with this. rehome the dog before someone gets hurt.
I agree with everything Mike Arnold said.
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#137851 - 04/12/2007 10:14 AM |
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The dog training pros on this board will have good advice for you but you have 2 problems that my inexperienced eyes see: A dominant/aggressive dog and a husband who knows nothing about pack leadership.
You aren't going to accomplish anything with this dog until you get your husband onboard with exactly how this dog is going to live with you. Have him read through Ed's dominant & aggressive categories...have him read the emails...MAKE him look at the dog bite pictures...and then order Ed's D&A DVD. If your husband is unwilling to learn how to be a good pack leader with this dog then you should get rid of it for the sake of your son and you and your other dogs.
That's $.02 from a novice trainer
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#137854 - 04/12/2007 10:34 AM |
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The first thing I will say is that you need to put paragraphs in your posts. I was tempted to DELETE THE THREAD for that reason alone. PLEASE DO NOT POST LIKE THIS AGAIN !!!!
I refuse to read posts written like this.
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#137859 - 04/12/2007 11:11 AM |
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I'll edit for you Angela, to make your post a bit more reader friendly.
I need some help...My husband and I adopted a 4 year old altered male GSD from a family that could no longer keep him due to financial issues and having to move to an apartment that won't allow a dog of his size (he is around 110 lbs. Almost as much as I weigh!!).
We already have 2 dogs in our home that get along very well with each other (a 9 year old English Cocker Spaniel and an 8 month old Doberman Pinscher). Both of the dogs were socialized (with other dogs and people), well trained and they are absolutely wonderful with our family, friends, etc.
The GSD has never really been around other dogs. The first time that he met our dogs, he tried to attack them when they tried to sniff him. But yet when he sniffs them, he's okay as long as they don't look at him or try to reciprocate the gesture.
He is very aggressive (lessening some every day) with our Cocker but not so much with the Dobe (he usually ignores him). They seem to be terrified of him though. My Dobe wouldn't even come back into the house this morning until the GSD was not around and the Cocker sits and shakes when he knows that the GSD is anywhere nearby.
My main issue is that the first few days that we had him, he seemed great with my 12 year old son and me but all of a sudden he has turned into a "Cujo". He sticks to my husband's side from the time that he gets home from work until he leaves for work again. The dog will not let me or the other dogs get near my husband when he is around. He won't let me near him either when he is with my husband. I have tried to pet him and he growls and bares his teeth to me. If I try to get near my husband, he does the same thing. He hasn't done this to my son yet but I feel that it's just a matter of time. When I try to correct him, he ignores me and goes about his business. When I put him in his crate (he follows a crate command for my husband. I have to repeat 4 times for him to listen). When I close the door on the crate he goes berzerk. Barking, growling, snarling.
My husband says that he is just being protective and doesn't understand yet that I am "a safe human". He says that the GSD sees him as the pack leader (yet the other 2 dogs listen very well to me). I have been the "firm one" with this GSD since he moved in but my husband has been the "buddy". I do all of the stuff that this dog seems to hate (baths, brushing...My husband does all the "fun" stuff. Playing, petting constantly when this dog demands attention...) He said that he thinks the dog sees me as being the "big meany" and that is why he is the way he is with me. He thinks that my commanding the dog in a stern voice, and making him stay off the furniture, etc. is making him disrespect me and hate me.
My husband lets him get on our bed, the couch, basically anywhere he wants to be. This dog just refuses to be around me when my husband is home. I don't have a chance to pet him or show him affection because he won't have it. My husband says that he got attached to this dog and doesn't really want to get rid of him (it's only been a week so far). The dog is just getting worse every day. He hasn't hurt my son or me yet but I fear that he may. He is extremely possessive of my husband.
I think that we should ask the people that we got him from to find someone else to take him (maybe a single person or one that has no other dogs). Sorry that this is so long!! Does anyone have any advice for me???
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#137860 - 04/12/2007 11:19 AM |
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Does anyone have any advice for me???
yes. get rid of the dog.
maybe get rid of the husband, too. (just kidding!)
sorry, i could not resist. your post is one of the most "out there" i have seen on these forums.
i second all the other advice given--if your husband doesn't want to give up the dog, at least crate the dog so he can't hurt anyone, and then make your husband read everything on this site--all of ed's articles--on pack leadership.
you have a major disaster waiting to happen.
it's possible this dog is so dominant/aggressive that even when your husband tries to assert proper pack leadership, the dog will challenge him and it could be very dangerous.
please find a skilled behaviorist/trainer in your area who is experienced with aggressive/dominant dogs and enlist their aid. at the very least, have such a professional assess the dog.
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#137862 - 04/12/2007 11:22 AM |
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Thanks! And sorry about the paragraphs or lack thereof. I tried to edit it somehow but it wouldn't allow me to.
I have just been so distraught to the point of feeling ill over this whole situation and can't seem to get my brain functioning properly.
Actually, I was looking for the help of an expert on this but I am guessing I messed that up.
Thanks for the help so far. Hopefully it will help my husband also...
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#137863 - 04/12/2007 11:26 AM |
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ditto what everyone else said.(take everyone's advice seriously! it's worth more than 2 cents!)
Keep your dogs apart, prong on the gsd and a drag line if he is loose - never unsupervised and a e-collar for the hubby and a bunch of dog training books(or a few days here on leerburg. )
You are doing the right thing but are receiving no support from your husband.
The situation can easily turn very dangerous if something major is not done.
Your husband is the one allowing the behavior and should be correcting the dog as well!
By the way, the "pack leader" would never let a subordinate growl at another member without permission to do so. The pack leader allows other members to fight or not to fight. Tell your husband this and see if he still thinks he's the pack leader.
Overall opinion though, the dog needs to probably go. He's not an enjoyable pet and has months of problems to work out. You have an 8 month old dobe who is going to pick up habits real soon from this dog and could ruin a good pup. And a son who might get bit when the pack leader isn't around.
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#137864 - 04/12/2007 11:28 AM |
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Thank you so much!! I don't want my Dobe to pick up the bad behavior. He is a truly awesome pup too!
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