Bil-Jac
#13249 - 11/27/2001 08:54 AM |
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I have posted a question about this before but it was always buried between other things but I need to get an answer ASAP.
The breeder I got my GSD from feeds frozen Bil-Jac to her dogs. That is what I have kept my puppy on. I tried to put him on another dry kibble (Canide ?? sp..sorry) and he started itching so bad within a week I put him back on the Bil-Jac. I now have all three of my dogs on it and they seem to be doing great. There is a lot of meat in this food and not a lot of grain...I was told that the grain could be what was making the dog itch. I also know that grains break down into sugar which is what cancer cells feed off of...my previous GSD died from cancer at 8 1/2 years old after eating dry kibble all of his life such as Iams, Science Diet and ones like that. I am trying not to make the same mistakes I did before but with my schedule I am unable to feed all raw to my dogs. I have three and while I realize that some of you who have more than that feed raw without a problem it is one for me.
Can someone tell me what they know about the frozen Bil-Jac and let me know. My dogs LOVE it even went through a period of detox when first started on it...my other two anyway since the pup was raised on it. Their coat looks better, poops are fewer and smaller, breath is good and everything looks healthy.
I look forward to any response about this diet...positive or negative. Thank you!!!
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#13250 - 11/27/2001 06:18 PM |
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I have never fed Bil-Jac but others who have had only good things to say. It basically is a commercially prepared BARF diet. If your dogs are doing good on it, keep feeding it or you can do yor own BARF if you have the time and don't want to spend the extra money having it already prepared.
Anything is better than kibble!
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#13251 - 11/27/2001 07:54 PM |
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I haven't used it - but the ingredients did not look very impressive to me, looks much like kibble to be honest Langirl. Can you post the ingredients Jerri? Thanks!
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#13252 - 11/27/2001 09:47 PM |
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The ingredients are as follows....and in order...
Beef, Meat by-Products, Cereal Food Fines, Poultry, Poultry Meal, Animal Liver, Fish Meal, Eggs, Cane Molasses, Dried Beet Pulp, Wheat Germ Meal, Brewers Dried Yeast, Phosphoric Acid, Vit A, Acetate, Vitamin D3 supplement, Vit E supplement, Riboflavin Supplement, Salt, Nisoin, Biotin, Choline Chloride, Folic Acid, Thiamine Mononitrate, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (Vit B6), DL-Methionine, Vitamin B12 Supplement, D-Calcium Pantothenate, Manganous Oxide, Inositol, Ascorbic Acid, Ferrous Sulfate, Copper Sulfate, Zinc Oxcide, Cobalt Carbonate, Potassium Iodide, Sodium Selenite.
Kinda makes me wish I had paid more attention in chemistry...or school for that matter <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> .
I know this has a lot of other stuff in it besides meat and "good things" but some of it is what I would add anyway...vitamins and such. I do give a fatty acid supplement that I have always given to my dogs for the last several years and they do get RMB's to chew on. I do veggies once or twice a week but I just can't find the time to make enough for my dogs ahead of time much less every day. I wish I could. I like this food because it is low is grain (I have had dogs who would have skin problems that I would either change the type of grain in the diet or cut way back on it and the itchies would clear up)and is pretty high in meat content. Also it is never cooked and is always cold/frozen. I pick it up frozen and it stays that way til I get it home. I only open one bag at a time so there is never any left in the fridge for more a day or two.
I hope this helps. I know it has a lot of stuff in it but so does every other kibble I have looked at including a lot of the ones mentioned on here.
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#13253 - 11/28/2001 10:44 PM |
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Well, I have posted my list of ingredients and so far have not heard any feed back on it...someone help me a little bit???
Thanks so much
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#13254 - 11/28/2001 11:32 PM |
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I've had good luck with Bil Jack in the past. However, my primary concern is whether the meat products are human grade. Nearly all commercial dog foods include diseased and cancer ridden protein sources.
Bil Jack is known for fresh products but I think they use non-human grade products (not sure). It seems that so many dogs get cancer.
I feed Innova for that reason.
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#13255 - 11/29/2001 05:38 PM |
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Gosh, you are right Laureen, it does read like a regular bag of kibble. I should have looked at it closer before opening my mouth! I feed BARF so I am biased with anything that has beet pulp for one and that many chemicals and by-products. Sorry I'm no help.
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#13256 - 11/29/2001 09:33 PM |
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Wow. I wouldn't feed this. Meat by products, animal liver, and acetate being the main ingredients that I'd have a problem with. Whenever they say "meat" anything or "animal" anything, it means just that; "meat", as in, any ol kind of meat, whatever is cheapest at the time, and "animal" meaning any ol kind of animal, from euthanized dogs and cats to circus elephants......and acetate is just plain NASTY!
The fact that "meat by-products" are the second ingredient, that tells me that it's a primary protein source, and since it's inferior as a protein source, that's just not a good thing.
I would not feed this stuff.
Next time I buy another bag of Solid Gold I'll post the ingredients if you're interested. I dump the food into a container and toss the bag, so I don't have an ingredients list right now. Let me know if you'd like me to, as I'll be buying another bag pretty soon. I feed kibble for breakfast and BARF for dinner, BTW. Solid Gold does use grains, and it is a dry kibble. My belief is that it's not grains themselves that are neccessarily harmful to dogs; they do need the carbs and the starch to metabolize proteins and nutrients (though I've been reading more about this, that says that's not neccessarily so). It's the fact that most commercial dog foods rely so heavily on grains, that it's the extremely high proportion of grain (esp. corn) in commercial dog foods that is the problem (in my opinion). I do feed oatmeal with their BARF when I'm not feeding potatoes (though I am considering cutting out the oatmeal).
But, if you are interested, here is a website all about grain free feeding.
http://members.aol.com/addieloo/index.html
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#13257 - 11/29/2001 10:52 PM |
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Originally posted by J Parker:
Wow. I wouldn't feed this.
Me neither.
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#13258 - 11/30/2001 03:58 PM |
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Thanks J. I know you recently switched to BARF and wondered why you chose Solid Gold as your kibble. I was leaning more toward Wynnsong or Innova...just wondered the reasoning.
Yes, I know this topic has been gone over some in the past and I have read the old post about it but still have some questions. I have read the BARF books and everything else. I just like to know why each person chose the kibble they did. Probably as many different answers to that as there are people who feed it!!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />
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