 correct a 8 mtho dog on biting, i got pissed off
#138733 - 04/19/2007 08:58 PM |
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today when i was training a 8 mths old maltesepoo in a park, he was doing great on training with me. when the owner took over and gave him a correction on holding sit command, he was trying to bite the owner. then i taught the owner how to correct him on biting problem. he bit me too. i corrected him very hard by grabbing his scruff and shaking him, then he screamed. i know the scene looked ugly expecially in a public area.i also rolled over him and showed my dominance.
then a lady came to me and said how can i do that to a dog. that really pisses me off. i dont think i did a wrong thing, the dogs' mother treach the puppies by this way, right?
so we only can correct the dog inside the house, and cannot let other ppl see it? omg, the lady didnt see the whole thing, she only saw a part of it. the problem is that she doesnt have a dog, and she knows nth about a dog. this really drives me nuts.
plz tell me if i did wrong? i know it is kinda off the topic, but i really need someone to talk, that's why i posted it here!!
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Re: correct a 8 mtho dog on biting, i got pissed off
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#138740 - 04/19/2007 09:35 PM |
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i dont think i did a wrong thing, the dogs' mother treach the puppies by this way, right?
No. Here is an article that explains very clearly how dogs discipline each other. http://www.flyingdogpress.com/pposa.html
Why would YOU - the "trainer" - assert dominance over the dog?? The trainer's job is to teach the dog OWNER how to be a firm and fair leader to the dog. The trainer's job is to teach the owner how to give a correction. The trainer's job is NOT to give the correction.
Before you attempt to "assist" someone else in training, you should spend plenty of time studying what dogs ACTUALLY DO, not what pop culture says they do.
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#138743 - 04/19/2007 09:39 PM |
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i did teach the owner how to set up their leadership, but they didnt follow what i told them. at the first session, when the owner was trying to pet the dog on the back, the dog turned around and bit owner's hand, then the owner didnt correct the dog. he was trying to take the hand away. even now the dog is still not housebroken.
as a trainer, i alrdy tried to help as much as i can, i told them everything on setting up their leadership role. but if they didnt follow through, what else can i do?
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#138744 - 04/19/2007 09:46 PM |
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btw, thanks for your advice, i am reading article right now.
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#138745 - 04/19/2007 09:46 PM |
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... as a trainer, i alrdy tried to help as much as i can, i told them everything on setting up their leadership role. but if they didnt follow through, what else can i do?
I recommend that you order this video, watch it, and maybe "assign" it:
http://www.leerburg.com/302.htm
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#138746 - 04/19/2007 09:46 PM |
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You can't do anything at that point except be very clear and frank, possibly even bluntly rude to the owner.
The owner needs to know that his/her actions are CAUSING the aggression and housetraining problems.
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#138747 - 04/19/2007 09:51 PM |
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. . . i corrected him very hard by grabbing his scruff and shaking him, then he screamed. . .i also rolled over him and showed my dominance. . . plz tell me if i did wrong?
Yup, you did "multiple" wrong, but don't despair, we've all had to learn it. Maybe someone else will take the time to spell it out again, but all I'll say it there is so much info on this site in the forum posts (take the time to do the searching and reading)and Ed's articles, podcasts and DVDs. If you plan to continue to do training, and be good at it, you can learn a lot of it here. You just need to put in the time.
Mike
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#138748 - 04/19/2007 09:52 PM |
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... as a trainer, i alrdy tried to help as much as i can, i told them everything on setting up their leadership role. but if they didnt follow through, what else can i do?
I recommend that you order this video, watch it, and maybe "assign" it:
http://www.leerburg.com/302.htm
thats what i was thinking about. even though i took dog trainer course with an instructor. i really wanna know more from other dog trainer such as Ed.
thank u
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#138749 - 04/19/2007 09:57 PM |
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You can't do anything at that point except be very clear and frank, possibly even bluntly rude to the owner.
The owner needs to know that his/her actions are CAUSING the aggression and housetraining problems.
i told the owner clearly today if she want him to be ended with dominant and aggressive. then ends his life in shelter. just keep doing what she is doing right now.
i think she realized today that there is something wrong with her dog. i wish she could do what i told her to set up her leadership.
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. . . i corrected him very hard by grabbing his scruff and shaking him, then he screamed. . .i also rolled over him and showed my dominance. . . plz tell me if i did wrong?
Yup, you did "multiple" wrong, but don't despair, we've all had to learn it. Maybe someone else will take the time to spell it out again, but all I'll say it there is so much info on this site in the forum posts (take the time to do the searching and reading)and Ed's articles, podcasts and DVDs. If you plan to continue to do training, and be good at it, you can learn a lot of it here. You just need to put in the time.
Mike
thanks so much for your input. yes, i really wanna be a good dog trainer, i know there is a lot for me to learn. it is not too late for me to learn something right.
i wont despair, it is my career. that i did learnt from a dog training school. so right now i am questioning if they taught us right techniques and theory on dog training and also dealing with dogs.
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