I was on http://www.youtube.com looking at GSD vids and came across one that caught my eye(for some odd reason) and it had a web page, so I checked it out. Well, for starters their stud dog is 120lbs and still has "filling out to do" and is 30" at his shoulder. Umm, holy sh*t. Not to mention their breeding females, huge. And a companion home pup selling for $1250, wow. They're AKC registered and have "Shiloh" lines(I know of shiloh shepherds)... The website is: http://www.pioneergermanshepherds.com/
I look for GSD breeders and websites, just to see what is out there in hopes of finding my next dog, which despite the gorgeous GSD's there are a handful or two that I know will never get my business. I like to see other bloodlines and different styles of GSD's. Just curious as to what anyone else thinks of this.
Also, Mods, if this is an unacceptable thread I won't be offended if it gets deleted or locked, wasn't sure hence the remark.

Some years ago I came to the conclusion that AKC will register anything with a pulse.
I've seen too many examples of free and loose breeding with an AKC stamp giving anyone a reason to charge these extreme amounts of money for IMO, crap dogs. (Not picking on this particular breeder, I know nothing of them.)

I'm not sure why these dogs are allowed to be considered AKC registered dogs since they really don't seem to meet much of the physical requirements for a gsd by the guidelines.

After looking at the site there are just so many things I would like to comment on, but I think it is best if I bite my tongue.

Again, the only thing AKC truly means is that people can charge more money for their uhm, "purebred" dogs.
I think the guidelines are suggestive at best. I had a recent client proudly inform me that the GSD he spent $1200. on had a mother that was pure white, and yes the dog is AKC registered.

I'm not excusing the AKC because I do think that they need to revamp some things. They do depend too much on the integrity of the breeders. And, while there are still many honest, reliable breeders out there, sadly there are more and more shady and dishonest ones. I think the time has come for all registries, not just the AKC, to require DNA tests for all stock that they give full registration to.

But, we do have to remember that as things are, they do depend for the most part on the breeders honesty and take his/her word that a litter or dog is purebred. They do have kennel inspections andwill and have suspended people for misrepresenting a litter or dog. There's no way they can inspect every breeder's operation. No registry can, which is why a DNA requirement would be a good thing.

I also feel that to get a full championship a dog should have to be at least 18 months of age, and should be required to have some type of performance title such as an obedience title, hunting title, agility title, herding title, etc

BTW, White German Shepherds are registerable and eligible to participate in performance events but are disqualified from competing in confirmation. To me it would make more sense to make them a separate breed if people want White Shepherds.

AKC registers any acknowledged breed dog with a pedigree. The dog doesn't have to be the correct size, color, conformation or temperament. Those things are judged in the ring, temperament being the hardest to judge with just a few seconds of review.

To each his own, I suppose. Also, noticed that all their pups are spayed/neutered prior to leaving...

No problem with this thread, Keleah - there have been dozens, if not hundreds of similar threads here.
It really is shocking what some breeders are selling.....and some uneducated buyers are plunking down money for.

Though I have all registered dogs, I am coming to the conclusion that to much emphisis sp? is put on it. I now look at the dog and its ability, temperment and then its pedagree. White GSD are real GSD. Shilo GSD are mixed with malamute. Then there are so many different color combo GSD, long hair and normal, show line, working line, DDR etc. What can the dog do and hows his health. To me these two things are most important then his papers. I have a DDR out of Tom vom haus Pixner hollands best, a Belschik sp? and a chezh import. They are all very nice dogs.

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I think the time has come for all registries, not just the AKC, to require DNA tests for all stock that they give full registration to.

Unfortunately, the AKC's DNA testing isn't all it's cracked up to be. The problem is there is no control over the sample that is sent in. A breeder friend of mine was sent a DNA test kit by the AKC. The instructions were to swab the dog's mouth and mail the sample back. There was no requirement for a third party, such as a vet, to supervise the swabbing and verify the sample belonged to the dog the breeder claims. When my friend attempted to contact the AKC about this by email, mail and phone, he never received a response.