Chris Gibbons wrote 04/23/2007 10:31 PM Advice on Supplements #139169 - 04/23/2007 10:31 PM
Chris Gibbons Webboard User Reg: 03-19-2007 Posts: 23 Loc: Thibodaux, LA Offline	I am new to this part of it and was just curious what are some of the essential supplements that most working dogs are given? I have a pup who is almost four months and would like to start giving him some. Thanks! Thor Varick
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Connie Sutherland wrote 04/23/2007 10:34 PM Re: Advice on Supplements [Re: Chris Gibbons ] #139170 - 04/23/2007 10:34 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: Chris Gibbons I am new to this part of it and was just curious what are some of the essential supplements that most working dogs are given? I have a pup who is almost four months and would like to start giving him some. Thanks! For me, fish oil (which is given with viamin E) is primary. Many (probably most) people use this for the fish oil: http://www.leerburg.com/47.htm It has an easy pump. For the E, I like to use mixed tocopherols (for humans) .... but lots of people use other forms. There is no modern diet, raw or kibble, that has the long-chain Omega 3s that fish oil supplies. JMO. :>
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Kimberly Bunk wrote 04/23/2007 10:37 PM Re: Advice on Supplements [Re: Chris Gibbons ] #139171 - 04/23/2007 10:37 PM
Kimberly Bunk Webboard User Reg: 05-04-2006 Posts: 384 Loc: PA Offline	Hey Chris, What brand of food are you feeding him? Or are you feeding a raw diet? Normally, with dog kibble I won't supplement unless it is joint supplements, but with raw I use salmon oil, ester-c, vitamin E, kelp and alfalfa powder. Kimberly
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Chris Gibbons wrote 04/23/2007 10:51 PM Re: Advice on Supplements [Re: Kimberly Bunk ] #139173 - 04/23/2007 10:51 PM
Chris Gibbons Webboard User Reg: 03-19-2007 Posts: 23 Loc: Thibodaux, LA Offline	Well, I was using Chicken Soup, then I decided to try Innova. Innova didn't sit to well with him. He kept having diarrhea, so I switched him back to Chicken Soup. Has anybody used K9 Super Fuel and Joint Strong? Is this any good? Thor Varick
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Sarah Morris wrote 04/23/2007 11:16 PM Re: Advice on Supplements [Re: Kimberly Bunk ] #139177 - 04/23/2007 11:16 PM
Sarah Morris Webboard User Reg: 08-29-2006 Posts: 2324 Loc: Central Coast, California Offline	Quote: I use salmon oil, ester-c, vitamin E, kelp and alfalfa powder. I use the same plus MegaPet Daily sold by Leerburg. True
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Kimberly Bunk wrote 04/23/2007 11:22 PM Re: Advice on Supplements [Re: Chris Gibbons ] #139179 - 04/23/2007 11:22 PM
Kimberly Bunk Webboard User Reg: 05-04-2006 Posts: 384 Loc: PA Offline	I have never heard of those supplements, but for joint therapy I use Glyco Flex (I beleive it's GF 600). They may have changed the name on the bottles since I last bought it though. I also use Chicken Soup for my older gsd and her coat looks a 1000 times better than it used to on other kibble brands.
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Keith Larson wrote 06/29/2007 10:22 AM Re: Advice on Supplements [Re: Kimberly Bunk ] #146572 - 06/29/2007 10:22 AM
Keith Larson Webboard User Reg: 04-09-2007 Posts: 363 Loc: Riverside, CA Offline	I'm just going to add my question to this posting. Starbuck is 16 weeks and a couple days. The breeder recommended NuVet Supplements, so I picked up a 6 month supply (http://www.nuvet.com/ingredients.asp#vitamina) I'm currently feeding her Canidae (http://www.canidae.com/). The dog food seems to have a bunch of vitamins and the web site says “Balanced Omega 6 & 3 Fatty Acids”. I stopped by a local natural foods/holistic pet food store that also does dog training. I’m not going to mention any names, but the lady was a little wacky. She tells me that NuVet is no good and I should use DinOvite (http://www.dinovite.com/). Does anyone have experience with this supplement? I asked about fish oil while I was in the store and she pointed out a bottle of Omega 3-6-9. It looks like everyone likes the Salmon oil that Ed Sells (http://www.leerburg.com/47.htm), so I guess I’ll order some of that too. I don’t want to go overboard, but I want to get her all the supplements she needs while she is still growing. Thanks Keith
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Alex Corral wrote 06/29/2007 10:35 AM Re: Advice on Supplements [Re: Keith Larson ] #146574 - 06/29/2007 10:35 AM
Alex Corral Webboard User Reg: 02-23-2007 Posts: 1102 Loc: Denver, CO Offline	Did she tell you why Nuvet is no good? I don't use either, but I did have my dog on Canidae before raw. I think Canidae ia an awesome kibble and if I had to go back, that's what I'd feed. Now I'm just supplementing raw w/Salmon oil and Vitamin E.
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Debbie Bruce wrote 09/29/2007 10:57 PM Re: Advice on Supplements [Re: Alex Corral ] #156673 - 09/29/2007 10:57 PM
Debbie Bruce Webboard User Reg: 08-23-2007 Posts: 1196 Loc: Centralia, Missouri Offline	Calling the nutrition gurus.....umm Connie...and anyone else who knows the answer... When I supplement the fish oil and E - if I give a double or triple dose every two or three days will it be as effective as a single dose every day? Do I need to be careful about overdosing doing it that way? Can the body store the extra for later? If I'm feeding grass-fed or wild meat do I still need to give the Vit. E?
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Connie Sutherland wrote 09/29/2007 11:23 PM Re: Advice on Supplements [Re: Debbie Bruce ] #156680 - 09/29/2007 11:23 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: Debbie Bruce Calling the nutrition gurus.....umm Connie...and anyone else who knows the answer... When I supplement the fish oil and E - if I give a double or triple dose every two or three days will it be as effective as a single dose every day? Do I need to be careful about overdosing doing it that way? Can the body store the extra for later? If I'm feeding grass-fed or wild meat do I still need to give the Vit. E? It's better to give the fish oil every day. Also, if you are ever in a situation (ran out of Vtamin E, for instance), then my own feeling is, Don't give the fish oil until you get Vitamin E. The delicate polyunsaturates need the protection against free radicals. Two results possible from giving fish oil and no E: One is that the E will be used from the supply in the body, possibly triggering an E shortfall; two is that there isn't enough E to protect the Omega 3 EFAs and they do become oxidized (rancid). Rancid polyunsaturates are bad news. There have been few studies to measure the impact of different doses of vitamin E on lipid oxidation with EPA and DHA (the long-chain Omega 3s in fish oil) in the diet, but evidence from studying the lipids outside the blood indicate protection of the fatty acids by the E from oxidation. JMO. Long story short: I would give both every day. I would not give fish oil or any oil supplement without Vitamin E.
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