Alex Corral wrote 05/04/2007 10:42 PM Combining recall w/sit in front? #140687 - 05/04/2007 10:42 PM
Alex Corral Webboard User Reg: 02-23-2007 Posts: 1102 Loc: Denver, CO Offline	Our recall is way better now, but the way I taught it was to just run back to me. Now, I want her to recall and sit in front. What's the best way to do that? and do I still use only "come"? From what I'm thinking....I call her from near, with the long line and wait till she sits in the position I want her, reward and add distance to the recall again. Does that sound right?
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Anne Vaini wrote 05/04/2007 10:52 PM Re: Combining recall w/sit in front? [Re: Alex Corral ] #140688 - 05/04/2007 10:52 PM
Anne Vaini Webboard User Reg: 07-14-2005 Posts: 775 Loc: Wisconsin Offline	This probably isn't exactly correct for any rulebook (SchH or AKC) but here goes for the basic concept. Recall and front need to be separate for quite a while - especially with pups or dogs that want to barrel the handler over on the recall. On recall - work on speed and enthusiasm. On front, work on accuracy. When the front is very solid, then put them together by calling your dog to the front position from gradually farther distances. The enthusiasm from the recall should come with. I use the dog's name for the informal recall and attention-getting. I use "here" for come-to-the-front-position. I end up doing a double-command a lot, so maybe not the best plan for a future competition dog?
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Angelique Cadogan wrote 05/05/2007 01:49 AM Re: Combining recall w/sit in front? [Re: Anne Vaini ] #140695 - 05/05/2007 01:49 AM
Angelique Cadogan Webboard User Reg: 10-18-2006 Posts: 1725 Loc: Las Vegas Nevada Offline	Well I consider my recalls great so here are my 2 bits, Your recall don't have to be seperate from your sit in front.I teach the recall first off the bat by being up close to stepping back and going further and further, using a long line to correct if I need.If you use food as a reward , and you use it correctly your dog should be in front straight everytime.
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Mike J Schoonbrood wrote 05/05/2007 06:59 AM Re: Combining recall w/sit in front? [Re: Angelique Cadogan ] #140703 - 05/05/2007 06:59 AM
Mike J Schoonbrood Webboard User Reg: 04-30-2005 Posts: 2784 Loc: Toronto, ON Offline	I do it in 2 parts too. For speed, recall and toss a ball or tug between your legs so the dog learns to come straight and keep going so not to lose speed. Then for front teach the dog positioning. Then when you combine them, block the dog from going between your legs and show them where you want them to go. Some peope have problems with blocking the dog because they don't like getting plowed Another option is to hold the ball on a string behind your back between your legs so they can bite it on entry... I don't do this with my girl because she wants to bite the crotch not the tug My female is 15 months old and I still haven't formalized her recall. I tested it once to see where she was at in training, she ran around me looking for the tug, and the next time she put the brakes on before reaching me, so it showed me she is not ready to formalize and I will continue working them seperately.
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Alex Corral wrote 05/05/2007 11:02 AM Re: Combining recall w/sit in front? [Re: Mike J Schoonbrood ] #140719 - 05/05/2007 11:02 AM
Alex Corral Webboard User Reg: 02-23-2007 Posts: 1102 Loc: Denver, CO Offline	Thanks for the posts guys. This command sounds harder than I thought. I use 'come' for her to run fast to me. I like Mike's idea of tossing an orbee ball or tug from behind my back. I think i'll be safe. Now, my question is, do I retrain the recall again w/long line but guiding her into a sit front and call that command something like... "front", "here" or "face"...etc..? And keep the "come" for an informal recall? That's where I don't want to confuse my dog...or myself. Do you guys have a command for a formal recall & an informal recall?
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Angelique Cadogan wrote 05/05/2007 12:35 PM Re: Combining recall w/sit in front? [Re: Alex Corral ] #140733 - 05/05/2007 12:35 PM
Angelique Cadogan Webboard User Reg: 10-18-2006 Posts: 1725 Loc: Las Vegas Nevada Offline	you guys are make it too complicated, my 15 months old has a very nice recall, it did not involve "specific tricks" too much stuff to do in my opinion to get a nice recall from you guys, my opinion is keep it simple,a nice recall is so easy to accomplish, really... Alex I think you should try what I mentioned and see where that leads you.. Ed from Vegas that comes on this board has seen my dogs recall plenty of times and he can say that they are perfect.My 15 months old has a nice recall from the age of 6 months.That is an exercise I have been very good at teaching , and I am not taking away anything from anyone else that gave their advise, just that too me reading their advise seem so complicated for an excercise I feel is very simple to teach.JMO
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Alex Corral wrote 05/05/2007 01:29 PM Re: Combining recall w/sit in front? [Re: Angelique Cadogan ] #140739 - 05/05/2007 01:29 PM
Alex Corral Webboard User Reg: 02-23-2007 Posts: 1102 Loc: Denver, CO Offline	Thanks Angelique. Your advice seems very easy to follow. That's how I started but I guess where I messed up was just rewarding her when she got to me instead of waiting to sit in front. So you only have 1 command for recall and that's it? Everytime you call them, they sit in front? And I assume you use it sparingly?..
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Mike J Schoonbrood wrote 05/05/2007 02:02 PM Re: Combining recall w/sit in front? [Re: Alex Corral ] #140740 - 05/05/2007 02:02 PM
Mike J Schoonbrood Webboard User Reg: 04-30-2005 Posts: 2784 Loc: Toronto, ON Offline	Angelique I don't like dogs to put the brakes on a recall, maybe your dogs don't but many many dogs do if you don't let them build the speed. I have an informal recall and a trial recall.
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Connie Sutherland wrote 05/05/2007 02:06 PM Re: Combining recall w/sit in front? [Re: Mike J Schoonbrood ] #140741 - 05/05/2007 02:06 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	I have two, too.
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Mike J Schoonbrood wrote 05/05/2007 02:13 PM Re: Combining recall w/sit in front? [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #140743 - 05/05/2007 02:13 PM
Mike J Schoonbrood Webboard User Reg: 04-30-2005 Posts: 2784 Loc: Toronto, ON Offline	Wait a min, reread the OP, my mistake... I was assuming a fast competition style recall, but it sounds like you just want to call the dog and have them sit. Angelique's way is fine for that. But if you are looking for competition OB which is what I automatically think of when you want a formalized position, speed should be priority #1. A slow recall looks very unimpressive, you want the dog to practically slam you and sit looking up perfectly.
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