I switched to a raw diet about 6 months ago when my 7 yr. old couldn't get up with out crying out in pain. After one week the pain was gone and within 2-3 weeks he was runnning around with all the energy of his youth. God himself couldn't convince me that the a raw diet doesn't work.
I've found a great source for raw ground beef that I'd like to pass on to those interested. butchers that process a fair amount of meat a day have a bi-product from the band saws that they call sawdust or bansaw waste. It's basically a finely ground hamburger. In my state they can't just throw this away and are forced to pay to have it taken away or they can give it away. I've worked it out with them to come by and pick up 25-50 lbs. any time I'm in need. In my case I can get all I want for a great price, free.
I hope this helps those getting started with a raw diet or anyone looking to cut down on the costs.
I would be concerned about using this hamburger scrap in a raw diet. Hamburger gets all kinds of nasty sh@* ground into it, accidently and on purpose. usually when there's a major meat recall it's hamburger. Others on the board have been feeding raw for years - they would know better. If I could get this meat scrap free I would cook it first. There was a fast food chain a few years back that killed a few kids serving partially cooked contaminated hamburger.
I would NOT cook the 'bone dust' as my butcher calls it. Cooking bone in any form changes the molecular structure and is not good to feed to dogs or cats!!!! If it is meat only that's fine but the dust from the meat cutting saws has a lot of bone mixed in.......
E-coli and salmonella are the least of your worries when feeding a healthy dog. Last time I looked, my dogs lick their butts, eat deer and rabbit poop and any other disgusting thing they can get their paws on!!!
There is bacteria everywhere........even in kibble!!! :rolleyes:
While the saw-dust is free in most cases and it can be fed raw, but I do not think that this should be used for your total meat portion. There is simply in some cases not enough meat in the dust. It is very fatty and has a bit of bone in it. It depends really on what part of the meat they are cutting to determine what quaility the dust is. While it is sometimes really red and looks like meat, that is just blood that colored it.
I agree with Michael. I would not feed it as a foundation of a raw diet although it is ok to add to a well rounded meal if extra fat and bone is needed.
I have a friend who has fed it for years--I personally have never tried it although the meat department at my local supermarket will save all the fat trimmings from the meat they cut in a separate bag for me if I tell them ahead of time. The other local grocery sells it for 59 cents a pound as bird food (suet).......my guys give it to me for nada... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />
I have to promise the meat department manager that 'it's not for human consumption'---I can assure them that it is NOT!!! Ick. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />
Cindy did your friend give it as the foundation for the diet or for just to add some fat and bone. I toyed with it for a little while but found that it was too rich in bone and fat and thus gave the dog loose watery stools. The same goes for the fat trimmings if it is not balanced meat. I also found that the dogs lost wieght and substance; my guess is not enough protein.
Cindy and Michael you both get an “A”. I own a meat market and I never considered feeding my dog bone dust. Now that I am thinking about it, it isn’t necessarily bad. We use a band saw to cut everything with a bone. Which is usually the better cuts of steak and so forth. The byproducts of the cuts fall in a pan on the bottom of the saw. In over 30 years of cleaning bone dust out of the saw, I have never considered it ground beef. The real problem I have feeding it to the dogs, is that the bone dust is sitting in the saw all day until they clean the saw. Unless it is a refrigerated working room, there are all kinds of bacteria that you are feeding the dogs. I don’t know if the dogs are immune to this kind of bacteria or not. I cannot imagine any of you people buying ground beef or chicken for the dogs and not refrigerating it for a 12 hr. period. As far as the byproduct by it self I would say that the protein to bone ratio would be equivalent to chicken backs. Which I feed my dog.
What type of meat do some of you use for the meat portion of your dog's diet?
The sawdust i'm getting seems to be proportionally really high in meat. When handling it it doesn't seem to have alot of bone. The fat content certainly seams less then a 75% ground beef.
Milt, could a butcher cut more of a certain type of meat that would product more meat than bone waste?
Karl the saw dust you are getting may be rich in protien. It all depends on what they are cutting. For instance would you use a saw to cut Rib I (boneless)steaks? The answer is no unless it was frozen. Now your saw dust is all meat. I have no idea what they are using their saws for. All I know is that in order to give you that quantity of dust it is a high volume store. I don't even have to look in my register to know if I had a good day, all I have to do is see how must dust I have.To test the fat content make a pattie with it and broil it. You will be able to tell how huch fat was in it. The bone dust will not melt you will have a combintion bone meal and protien left. It is my understanding that bone meal is healthy. Karl if what you are giving the dogs work keep doing it. Ultimately it's the dogs that will tell you if it's not healthy. From your post it sounds like they are acting great.
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