I'm curious if there is any difference in elementary or advanced grip training for dogs who are trained to be PSDs, PPDs, or Schutzhund type sports?

Do these dogs with different jobs have different types of grips or are they all trained to have calm grips, like biting in one place and not letting go and hanging on no matter what happens to them while biting that one place?

Are PSDs and PPDs trained to attack the weapon wielding arm, and to reattack on a different spot on the human if needed?

Am I making sense? I don't feel very eloquent this morning

As a quick answer, no.

A sport dog is required to have a deep, full, calm grip - it's graded on this.

A PPD can bite and release and re-bite all he wants, as long as he continues to fight the opponent. Ideally, if the opponent submits, the dogs goes into a threatening guard posture at that time and awaits the owners command.

Ideally only in some locations. Some of us police trainers have not bowed to the PC bark and hold quite so rapidly.

While we do prefer a deep, full bite, we aren't concerned about how calm it is. Releasing and rebiting are not prefered but it is acceptable as long as the dog continues the fight.

The dog is trained to ignore the weapon. The correct response to gunfire etc, is no response. It's acceptable for the dog to bite any location on the person. While the majority of bites seem to be on the hands and legs (trying to push the dog away or running and kicking) you are apt to see a bite most anyplace on a person.

DFrost

David, are you discussing PPD's or Police Service Canines?

Will, I'm talking about police service. Did I miss something? Sometimes I do read too quickly and this is in the police section.

DFrost

No no David, I had just replied about Sport and PPD's, I hadn't touched on PS Canines.

Ahhh soo, I see now. Two things I always like to speak out against in law enforcement canine training; the b/h and pseudo drugs for training. I swear I just can't help myself. ha ha.

DFrost

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Ahhh soo, I see now. Two things I always like to speak out against in law enforcement canine training; the b/h and pseudo drugs for training. I swear I just can't help myself. ha ha.

DFrost

Me Too! Me Too!

Thanks guys. So if I understand correctly, the PPD is allowed the freedom of biting and rebiting when needed. Guess I shouldn't have asked about the PSD so no strategy is given away on a public forum. If that's the case, sorry about that.

Reason I posted on the PSD forum is cause I just suspected both the PSD and the PPD pretty much have the same type bite and rebite training since it's not sport to them and only used in real life situations, compared to SchH. Also admit I figured I'd get more responses from the cops and military guys

So I understand that it's the fight and staying in the fight that is primarily important, with a full deep bite. Am I correct in thinking that fight drive is something that needs to be there in order to build on it, inherent in the dog, and not something that can be taught if non-existent?

I still have a question about the weapon wielding hand. David mentioned that the correct response to gunfire is no response and that's completely understandable, but what I don't understand is if the weapon wielding hand is not first attacked then that weapon is free to be used against the dog while the dog is busy with another part of the body. So then speaking of the PPD only, wouldn't it be safer for the dog if he were taught to attack that hand/arm first, hopefully disabling it or at least causing the weapon to be dropped?

Hi Sandy,

Dogs don't know from weapons. They'll target whatever they feel the most comfortable with or the area they are taught to hit. A PSD or PP dog should be taught to hit anywhere accessible.

To explain a bit...suppose a bad guy is holding a gun and the dog is going to attack him. The dog will most likely target how I mentioned before, or they'll hit whatever is moving. If the gun hand remains stationary he'll go for a leg that kicks at him or a hand/arm that is put out to ward the dog off. If the bad guy uses the gun hand to ward the dog off then thats good as hopefully that appendage will be left useless to the bad guy. It doesn't stop him from switching hands though.

Train to hit the body, not to have the dog looking for small weapons that very well may be in the guys hand in a coat pocket. A life may be saved in the seconds it takes to hit the body..or lost in the time it takes the dog to look for a weapon. JMO

Howard