not to sound stupid, but raw meats gives us all kinds of illnesses, why not dogs? just interested. i feed mine purina dog chow, they love it, they don't vomit or get diriria. i know many are probably frawning over this commericail dogfood, but there is alot cheaper and worst on the market by far.

Tammy B, I too feed a kibble dog food. I've seen post where the dog gets a balanced meal with all natural ingredients. That's a human diet. I cvan understand feeding raw meat. That's their natural food source.

But, Give me a brake. :rolleyes: Feeding so many carrots, fruits, and other veggies is out of control. I would like to know where they shop in the wild!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

I like you and many on this board feed kibble, there are many who will not say they do.

I'm still confussed over why certain brands are always talked as if they are poison. HUMAN GRADE INGREDINTS a must for K-9's still confusse's me.
It's bad enough that owners treat them as CHILDREN.(this includes my wife)

Just keep them healthy and happy. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Butch, we are caregivers, that is why... It is not a matter of treating them "like children" it is a matter of the fact that since WE domesticated them, we took on the duty of providing them with food. If you don't have a problem with feeding your dog other pets, and cancer covered carcases than that is your thing. If you think for one moment that the meat that goes into Science death is human grade you are fooling yourself... Oh, I forgot, you don't care if it is human grade... after all, "it is only a dog"... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />

TammyB, dogs have a much shorter and much more volitile digestive system. Bacteria that we do not contact often your dog contacts on a daily basis. They can lick their own A _ _...

Butch wrote: But, Give me a brake. Feeding so many carrots, fruits, and other veggies is out of control. I would like to know where they shop in the wild!! Butch, your comments are one sided and show your ignorance about the raw diet. While it is not for everyone, I encourage people to learn WHAT IS in the kibble they pour in that bowl every night. If you know and can still feed it, that is fine. It is ultimately your dog, but everything has a price in life....

Deanna, If by any chance you think my dogs are not well cared or, you would have to see them and the condition thet are all in. I doubt that yours or anyone that visits this board are more concerned about there k-9's welfare then we are.

Yes, we have had medical problems but they received better attention most do for their children. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

One point that's impportant to us is that our Vet use's us a examples to other clients of his.

That in itself is a honor we cherish.

Talking about canerous ingredients, everything we eat has preserveitives. Each group that does a study on what's good for us humans can never agree on what's good for us or not. Just when you change a new study comes along and says everything that we have been doing is wrong.

Deanna your comment

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Oh, I forgot, you don't care if it is human grade... after all, "it is only a dog"...

Wher in the H%ll can you say. You have never seen my dogs are know how e care for them. SHAME fo rsaying something you have knowledge of!!

I've always had an open mind to everything in life . I wonder if you do <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />

I did not say cancerous ingredients... I am talking about TUMORS. The things that are "not fit for human consumption" are covered in ash and sent of for processing, for pet food.

So what your vet likes you. You pay him, why wouldn't he. I am not telling you that feeding kibble is not "right" for you. Do as you wish... but at least learn what IS in it.

Dogs have no need for carbohydrates, except in cases of lactation. So why then do we feed them all that crap? For the same reason you were able to lose on Atkins. Because it(corn, rice, wheat, gluten, sugar) is cheap and it is pushed at us everywhere.

I admit my first post was a bit harsh, but it is hard to read attitudes over the net. My comment about the ignorance of the diet dealt with the comment of fruits, carrots, and veggies, which are a TINY portion of the diet. It is based on building the contents of a PREY ANIMAL. No grocery stores for dogs... but, a bird, or squirrel, or rabbit would have had some sort of food in its stomach...

Some people feed very limited veggies. I feed a fair amount because my dog likes them. It all comes down to doing what is right for your dog.

Personally, I am not 100% anti-kibble. I have seen instances where it was better for the dog. What I am against is feeding crap and dead pets to my dog. After all, you are what you eat...

That's a scary thought, I just ate McDonald's for lunch. Now, if I could only figure out what the "meat" is in their burger.

I, for the record, primarily feed kibble (a mix of ca natural & omh fish & sweet potato - remember, no "e") supplemented with raw. (no I don't mix them) what we should all keep in mind is that there are lots of opinions on this (and all other issues) and lots of different types and qualities of kibble and raw food. everyone needs to feed what they believe is best for THEIR dog tempered by what they can afford in both time and money. raw costs more and takes a heck of a lot more time.

Also, if you don't get the right nutrients/mix of raw, your dog may develop health and nutritional issues that you didn't expect. a well made kibble using quality ingredients is (imho and made without the benefit of any testing so don't jump all over me) better than an unbalanced raw diet.

that said, haven't we had this conversation 10 or 20 times so far? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

Looking for a "BAM" VanCamp. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> we've already gone 15 rounds on this raw v kibble debate.

Tammy, I have a 5 month old pup who was weaned on the raw diet and have continued this diet with her. Her growth rate is normal and she is the picture of health. She gets oodles of compliments, looks of approval and I get inquiries on how to get such a shiny coat. She had an incident with itching and I stopped the starchy veggies in her diet. That seemed to help. The veggies in her diet are a very small amount, and blended. She has not had diarrhea once. My other dog is fed Eukanuba, (I have no choice in this matter) and he is also doing fine on this food, however he gets the same supplements as the pup. He also appears in good health. I have many arguments with people concerning raw vs. kibble and with two healthy dogs on both, it can get frustrating. I do believe in the raw diet, it takes some extra time but so far I like the results. There is a lot of info on this board, website and elsewhere for info, indulge, I think you will be surprised!

Auster likes cat poop, but that doesn't make it good for her <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> . As Deanna said, dogs have a shorter digestive system which allows them to eat things that humans can't. Don't assume that kibble is complete either! AAFCO feed trials are a joke designed to make the consumer have warm fuzzies and buy a product. They last a mere 26 weeks (to test a food that is supposed to be fed for life!) and weight loss of up to 15% is acceptable! Of the 8 animals required for a feed test, only 6 have to finish it.

http://www.auntjeni.com/AAFCO%20Feeding%20Trials.htm

Auster only eats Blackwood or Nutro and she gets mostly home made. I've noticed increaded muscle and she has lost the "kibble dog look" (very hard to describe, but unmistakable).