 Too much Protection Traning?
#147097 - 07/04/2007 04:38 PM |
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IF A DOG IS WILLING, is it okay to do protection training three times a week? Is there a minimum age before three times a week is acceptable? (of course no protection during teething)
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#147099 - 07/04/2007 05:11 PM |
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I would consider it a waste of time for a dog to protection train 3x weekly between ages six to tweleve months as it would be *very* unlikely that a dog had recieved the correct foundation of obedience training for control by that age.
Most dogs need a ratio of at least three obedience training sessions for each protection session, at a min.
I see the best dogs training ob to protection at a five to one ratio.
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#147106 - 07/04/2007 08:30 PM |
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You can sack a dog/older pup three days a week but if you are talking about actual protection schutz or civil work on a dog I feel the same as Will.
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#147139 - 07/05/2007 09:50 AM |
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Will, when you say obedience training, what exactly do you have in mind - what are the particular commands you would include in the obedience sessions?
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#147166 - 07/05/2007 12:26 PM |
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I don't want to answer for Will but my experience is this, your obedience has to be proof.When I did my Schutz 1 this past march ,I realized how polished and proven my obedience had to be.I entered the field off leash and when the helper is on the field your dog (at least mine) only thinks about getting the helper.Thank God i had very good obedience on my dog because like I said -no leash-.it's not an extra obedience command that you need in your "obedience belt" it is that in ANY circumstance you are able to recall your dog and are able to heel off leash around the decoy without your dog breaking.I can "platz" my dog in mids of running toward the decoy, or recall him to me ect...( in a fur saver)that is what you have to be able to do around the decoy.While your dog is in a "hold&bark" in the blind, you have to be able to recall him to you in a heel position.Your obedience has to be almost flawless...
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#147237 - 07/06/2007 03:21 AM |
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Like Angelique i am deffently not going to answer for Will he has a lot more experience then i do. (on another note i completely agree with everything Angelique said)
But what "I" think the key things to work on are the sit,down,stay,heel,out those are key, then move in to off leash OB with those commands and then start doing time training and distance training.
Michael.West
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#147243 - 07/06/2007 06:10 AM |
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I would also offer that at that age and stage Will referred, that too much obedience can also at times be a hindrance.
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#147263 - 07/06/2007 09:46 AM |
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I would also offer that at that age and stage Will referred, that too much obedience can also at times be a hindrance.
Keith, I think that your referring to too much OB cause bite hesitation?
If that's a problem, you need to look at two things:
A) you're training OB incorrectly ( ie, compulsion instead of motivation based training at an early age )
or B) the dog had too little drive to do the training.
It's never been a problem for myself or anybody that I've trained with that uses good training methods.
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#147285 - 07/06/2007 12:34 PM |
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I think too if a dog is ready for protection , he already should have very good obedience and be mature enough to understand what is asked of him (as far as ob) I train my obedience every chance I get over protection work any day.If a dog has what a takes to do the protection , he will always have that, but if the obedience on and off leash isn't there ,that's is something that HAS to be worked on until achieved before going on with the protection work.... 
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#147323 - 07/06/2007 02:47 PM |
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Excellent reply, thanks Angelique. What you also said about not needing an extra obedience command in the "obedience belt" is exactly what I wanted to know. Wasn't sure if there was something extra that I had missed.
So the sitz, platz, heel, out, and recall are the absolute essentials, and absolutely flawlessly done under any circumstance, for a protection trained dog. Do I understand that correctly?
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