 E-Collar Question
#149061 - 07/19/2007 03:29 PM |
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I have used E-Collars extensively for field training my dogs. I am just starting protection work (I used to only do obedience and agility) and when I was at the club last time, I noticed the trainer had an e-collar both on his dog's neck and also one around his waist. When I asked about it, he said it was to help the dog with is "out" while doing his protection work. Anyone know how this works or why they use a collar around the waist? Thanks!
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#149149 - 07/20/2007 09:50 AM |
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Hm.
Ok i am not a subject matter expert on E-Collars but my view on this is. Well to be blunt he hasn't trained his dog right if he needs a e-collar in two places for his dog to do a out. That being said i don't know this dog or the handler/trainer. So it could be a special situation but well i just dont see it. *shrug*
Now maybe someone can come in here and put me in my place. I am deffently looking forward to other peoples thoughts.
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#149164 - 07/20/2007 12:00 PM |
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I have seen this done before, but I don't agree with it and many other people have thought this as being cruel. I don't know, but there is a group of trainers who train completely with e-collars (sometimes collar is on 24/7) and have frequently used 2 collars on the dogs. Many people here don't like them.
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#149168 - 07/20/2007 12:17 PM |
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I wonder the reasoning for the collar around the waist. The dog is a beauceron - he is very hard and likes to get in "cheap shots" at the decoy after he outs. I am pretty sure the collar is to stop that behavior. It didn't look pretty but I guess I can't agree or disagree with it because I don't really understand the purpose...why the waist? Typically dogs move away from the sensation of the collar so I would feel like having the collar on the underside of the dogs belly would just get him to stand...not the case...when the collar was used, the dog downed...weird...I know this particular dog does not wear the collar 24/7 - he only uses it in the protection phase of his training....None of the mals at the training had an e-collar on the waist - actually, none of them had a collar on at all...but then again, they tend to be easier to handle compared to the beaucerons...from my experience at least (which isn't much  )
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#149170 - 07/20/2007 12:37 PM |
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I don't know, but there is a group of trainers who train completely with e-collars (sometimes collar is on 24/7) and have frequently used 2 collars on the dogs.
OK now if is a trainer and i mean reputable trainer then i could understand two collars on the neck some dogs just have a amazing tritrition (i cant spell sorry) level. Now you are going to have to show me something completely... well i don't know but i doubt there is something you could show me that would make me understand the collar on the dogs belly. Even more so for the out. It dosent make sense.
Edit with out hitting the edit button: OK if you put the collar on the dogs belly you can teach the dog how to stand from a sit or down but i cant see any other reasoning. And you should be able to figure it out before useing the e-collar.
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#149173 - 07/20/2007 01:32 PM |
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Michael, you forgot to quote me on the "Many people here don't like them". I, personally don't agree with having to use 2 e-collars. The reason for it being on the belly or abdomen area, is because that is a very sensitive area and I think the only other area you can strap a collar on. I've even read about trainers putting or aiming the electrodes towards the male dog's genitals  There was a thread here recently about a trainer in Chicago doing this who was charged with animal cruelty.
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#149184 - 07/20/2007 03:15 PM |
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Michael, you forgot to quote me on the "Many people here don't like them". I, personally don't agree with having to use 2 e-collars. The reason for it being on the belly or abdomen area, is because that is a very sensitive area and I think the only other area you can strap a collar on. I've even read about trainers putting or aiming the electrodes towards the male dog's genitals There was a thread here recently about a trainer in Chicago doing this who was charged with animal cruelty.
Alex,
Sorry about that i had no intention about miss-quoting you. I agree you need to work on training more if you actually have to use two e-collars to correct a problem. but there are a lot of people on here with more knowledge then me and thats what i am waiting to hear from.
I know what you mean about the fact the abdomen area is the only other place you can put it and it would hurt a lot more but still.. just seems like a ignorent idea all around.
As far as that woman who straped the e-collar to her dogs genitals i heard about that a while ago. I would hardly call her a trainer.
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#149189 - 07/20/2007 03:30 PM |
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I know what you mean about the fact the abdomen area is the only other place you can put it and it would hurt a lot more but still.. just seems like a ignorent idea all around.
As far as that woman who straped the e-collar to her dogs genitals i heard about that a while ago. I would hardly call her a trainer.
I agree with you 100%! 
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It sounds cruel and that woman is obviously sick.
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Typically dogs move away from the sensation of the collar so I would feel like having the collar on the underside of the dogs belly would just get him to stand...not the case...when the collar was used, the dog downed...weird...
The dog has probably been "trained" that when he downs, the negative sensation stops.
The dog is a beauceron - he is very hard and likes to get in "cheap shots" at the decoy after he outs. I am pretty sure the collar is to stop that behavior.
I'm not a PPD trainer, but I would imagine that a dog that takes "cheap shots" at the decoy after he outs, and can ONLY be stopped by a e-collar around the belly is not suitable for protection work, IMO. At least not with the current trainer, anyway.
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