Carolyn Pike Roman wrote 07/26/2007 01:10 PM how to tell if the correction is strong enough? #149758 - 07/26/2007 01:10 PM
Carolyn Pike Roman Webboard User Reg: 03-20-2007 Posts: 559 Loc: San Antonio, TX Offline	How do you tell if a correction is strong enough? I don't think I'm popping hard enough to make a difference... that or I still don't have the prong fitted properly.
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Keith Larson wrote 07/26/2007 01:15 PM Re: how to tell if the correction is strong enough? [Re: Carolyn Pike Roman ] #149759 - 07/26/2007 01:15 PM
Keith Larson Webboard User Reg: 04-09-2007 Posts: 363 Loc: Riverside, CA Offline	Check out this article: http://www.leerburg.com/dogtrainingebooks.htm #15 I think the 2 line answer is: The correction is hard enough to make the dog stop the activity. The correction is not hard enough to "shut down" the dog. It should still take a treat or praise immediately after the correction.
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Michael West wrote 07/26/2007 02:34 PM Re: how to tell if the correction is strong enough? [Re: Keith Larson ] #149768 - 07/26/2007 02:34 PM
Michael West Webboard User Reg: 05-23-2007 Posts: 551 Loc: Washington, USA Offline	Keith Pretty much nailed it The correction should be a sharp pop not a jerk. If your dog yelps or lays down or cowers you gave to sharp of a correction. Michael.West "Everything flows down leash"
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Mitch Kuta wrote 07/26/2007 02:41 PM Re: how to tell if the correction is strong enough? [Re: Michael West ] #149770 - 07/26/2007 02:41 PM
Mitch Kuta Webboard User Reg: 01-31-2005 Posts: 464 Loc: Ovilla, TX Offline	Don't go by the yelp. For example my GSD will yelp with slightest correction on prong as he is soft but sometimes this is not enough to correct the behavior if in a situation where he needs more like another dog agressive dog acting ignorant. Any cowering or shutting down yes to much. MJK
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Michael West wrote 07/26/2007 02:49 PM Re: how to tell if the correction is strong enough? [Re: Mitch Kuta ] #149773 - 07/26/2007 02:49 PM
Michael West Webboard User Reg: 05-23-2007 Posts: 551 Loc: Washington, USA Offline	Yeah i wasent sure if i should have but the yelp in there or not. It depends on your dog. A soft dog will yelp all the time. It all depends on your dog. Michael.West "Everything flows down leash"
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Carolyn Pike Roman wrote 07/26/2007 03:15 PM Re: how to tell if the correction is strong enough? [Re: Michael West ] #149781 - 07/26/2007 03:15 PM
Carolyn Pike Roman Webboard User Reg: 03-20-2007 Posts: 559 Loc: San Antonio, TX Offline	Thanks for the link Keith! I think maybe I still don't have the prong fit properly on Jake... on Dixon a short pop works well, on Jake, I might as well not even exist sometimes. I think the Dix is a medium to soft dog, and Jake is hard (newbie guessing here-). Neither has ever yelped when I gave a correction-
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Geoff Empey wrote 07/26/2007 04:24 PM Re: how to tell if the correction is strong enough? [Re: Carolyn Pike Roman ] #149795 - 07/26/2007 04:24 PM
Geoff Empey Webboard User Reg: 02-07-2007 Posts: 596 Loc: Ottawa Ontario, Canada Offline	Quote: Carolyn Pike I think maybe I still don't have the prong fit properly on Jake... Yeah the higher on the neck the better. That way the prong itself is more responsive and effective when you pop it. The only drawback is it is not as easy to put on the dog. I see bully breeds around town all the time with these huge prong collars on. The problem is they are on so loose that you'd really have to swing the dog in the air to make the prong acuate they are a placebo and are for show if nothing else. Prongs fitted incorrectly IMO will correct the dog about as much as shaking your finger at it.
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Michael West wrote 07/26/2007 04:36 PM Re: how to tell if the correction is strong enough? [Re: Geoff Empey ] #149800 - 07/26/2007 04:36 PM
Michael West Webboard User Reg: 05-23-2007 Posts: 551 Loc: Washington, USA Offline	I use the quick relise prong collar witch is adjustable more then just taking out a link so there is no excuse not to have it fit popularly. I love it. The Prong collar should be fit right under the dogs jaw line and around the back of the neck. If it is any lower then pretty much what Geoff said. Michael.West "Everything flows down leash"
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Candi Campbell wrote 07/27/2007 04:29 PM Re: how to tell if the correction is strong enough? [Re: Carolyn Pike Roman ] #149965 - 07/27/2007 04:29 PM
Candi Campbell Webboard User Reg: 02-06-2006 Posts: 696 Loc: San Francisco, CA Offline	Also the smaller "gage" the prong collar is, the MORE teeth it has per inch, which gives a stronger correction (with LESS power applied by the handler) -- On a VERY hard or high-drive beastie, some trainers will even file every 2nd or 3rd set of prongs to a somewhat sharper point, without overdoing it (you want to get the dog's attention & gain his respect NOT do him an injury)... How anyone can live without a dog is beyond me...
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Daniel Audet wrote 07/31/2007 12:02 PM Re: how to tell if the correction is strong enough? [Re: Candi Campbell ] #150236 - 07/31/2007 12:02 PM
Daniel Audet Webboard User Reg: 07-09-2007 Posts: 17 Loc: NC, USA Offline	My own rule of thumb is..... On a correction ears should twitch down. If the correction was too hard, the ears stay down for more than a couple seconds. A food motivated dog should take food within 5 seconds of a correction, if he doesn't it probably was too hard. A toy motivated dog should show interest in a toy within 5-10 seconds of a correction. These are just rules of thumb. In time you get a really good feel for what is too much or not enough. If you keep having to apply corrections over and over, you are probably not "offending" your dog enough.
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