Panosteitis
#150386 - 08/01/2007 11:12 AM |
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I got my G.S Pup Fred Back last Friday evening after being in Kennels for 10 days.
The next morning i noticed he was limping on his near front leg. I naturally thought he may have knocked his leg whist he was away. But over the next two days he got worse, So i took him to the Vet who booked him up with a another Vet who specialises in Bone Problems
He took X-Rays of Both Front Legs and Shoulders, After looking at them he said the Joints were okay but he had some Panosteitis in his front near side leg in the Radius Bone and he showed me a X-Ray showing a Shadow on the Bone The other leg was fine
Have any of you Guys had a similar problem, and do any of you know what causes it and can it be put right with no long term effects on the Pup, Who by the way is just over 8 months old
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#150387 - 08/01/2007 11:28 AM |
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Us simpler folk call it "long bone disease" only because it's hard for us to drawl when saying panosteitis. In essence the bones are growing putting pressure on the muscle or something like that. Time generally cures all.
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#150388 - 08/01/2007 11:46 AM |
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From what I know about Pano, it is a disease that is commonly found in fast growing, large breed puppies. Usually the disease will run it's course and once the pup gets older, it does not happen again.
Basically the "long bones" develope small "holes" or weak spots due to fast growth, thus making the bones weak and painful, therefore the limping.
Limited exercise and jumping is very important.
I have two GSD pups out of lines that have a history of Pano and I put them on adult all natural kibble at first and they are now getting used to raw diet. These lines are also know for their size, therefore I limit protien and calcium intake as to ensure slower growth.
So far, no problems and the pups are coming on 8 months.
http://leerburg.com/pano.htm
http://www.jersey.net/~mountaindog/berner1/lpano.htm
http://www.critterchat.net/pano.htm
Above are some links that I found just by doing a Google of "Pano in Dogs".
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#150395 - 08/01/2007 12:46 PM |
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Steven,
My Ridgeback had pano in his rear legs when he was about 6 months old. It was quite awful - no limping but he would SCREAM in pain whenever he got up from laying down, or if you palped his hind end. I was expecting the worst, but after x-rays our vet said it was "just pano". I was also given the term "shifting leg lameness" because it can effect any bone in any leg of a growing dog, and can seem to "switch" legs from time to time.
My understanding is that the bones grow at different densities, creating stronger and weaker sections - the weaker ones causing pain. It can be excruciating sometimes, but it shouldn't last very long, and it does in fact clear up on it's own, assuming the pup has a good quality diet. Rapid growth spurts in big puppies increase the chances of pano - Carol's strategy of limiting and controling protein and calcium amounts is a good one. We did pain meds for a few days, but it actually went away rather quickly. It is quite common and your pup should be fine.
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#150396 - 08/01/2007 12:57 PM |
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Steve,
So nice you stayed...
Anyway,My young male gsd 18 months is going through pano now and it's light but I can tell he limps a bit.He's had pano off and on since the age of 7 months.Sometimes you're lucky and you see it and then it's gone for good.For mine he is having to be on Remedyl for a bit(it helps) No bite work for a while or anything that would cause harm to his joints.Swimming is great but even after he swims he limps a bit, so crate is best for him right now.Let him go at his own pace,he might get over it quicker.For us it can be a pain cause it sets us back in training.Good luck, I hope your pup does not get pano for long...
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Re: Panosteitis
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#150415 - 08/01/2007 04:01 PM |
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Thanks Guys for the replys. I have looked up the Web Pages given and the Leerburg pages on it
I am thankful that he will probably get over it But i would rather it be my leg than his,
because i had it in my head that he may have a bone joint problem before i took him, so i am very pleased and relieved that he is okay at this time
I took him to the G.S club tonight but only gave him a short walk round and let him watch the other Dogs Work. The Trainer there said let him take his time and there was no hurry with him
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#150450 - 08/01/2007 08:52 PM |
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Andgelique,
I would not give Rimadyl to any dog, please be careful with this drug.
did your vet do a liver screening before giving this drug to you?
Did they go over the possible side effects?
http://www.srdogs.com/Pages/rimadyl.rec.html
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#150454 - 08/01/2007 09:05 PM |
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He did do blood test prior, now I don't remember if that was for his liver, I'll have to ask.I assumed it was.Cause he did tell me that he need to do blood test prior to prescribing Ramidyl.
Thanks for the link.
I actually don't like the meds cause they really don't help other then for a day or so and then it seems to stop working.At least that is what I have noticed lately..
Thanks Cindy for giving me heads up and advise, i will ask my vet Saturday ,I have to see him a re-check on Bandit..
I read the link you gave and I am shocked that my vet NEVER once said a word to me about the side affects! I am really dissapointed about it it's the second time he gives me Ramidyl to give to my young male!
I am dissapointed at myself for not asking questions!! never knew that drug was so bad!
I guess Saturday will not be fun............for my vet.
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#150458 - 08/01/2007 10:13 PM |
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My GSD had it all the way through the first couple months of his SECOND YEAR. What a pain in the ass for dog and training. People dont give enough credence to this problem which cannot only be debilitating but also a serious training set back.
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#150459 - 08/01/2007 10:14 PM |
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I wouldn't give Rimadyl under any circumstances, well, maybe if the dog was dying anyway...
Pano is common, and as it was explained by my ortho vet, occurs when the membrane surrounding the bone becomes inflamed due to rapid growth-it appears on an x-ray like a shadow, or like a bunch of holes or spurs along the outside of the bone, or in some cases, into the bone itself.
There are theories about restricting protein and calcium, but no definitive proof that it does any good. My raw fed boy had it until he was 28 mos, yes, 28mos. I was told by 2 vets that he ruptured his ACL...but I didn't think so. They told me he was too old for Pano, and I said his particular lines mature veeeerrrry slowly. To prove their point, they took an xray...and instead they proved mine! It showed up on an xray then, but it doesn't always. It started at about 10mos, and was on and off and switched limbs from time to time. I never gave him any drugs for the pain, and I let him decide how much activity he felt like doing; I tried resting him and it made zero difference. I consulted the ortho specialist who confirmed that him running around acting like a GSD wasn't going to damage him in any way; if he felt like it, there was no physical reason not to. There's nothing to make worse; it's not an injury. It's a big pita, and you're always freaking out that they've REALLY done it this time...and then you get to a point where you just sigh and deal with it until it goes away...and it always does.
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