Steve Patrick wrote 08/03/2007 06:52 AM Feeding #150569 - 08/03/2007 06:52 AM
Steve Patrick Webboard User Reg: 06-03-2007 Posts: 495 Loc: Englishman, living in Belgium Offline	I am looking for a new feed to give my old Dog Chatlie who is 14 years old, At this time he has always been fed on a good Kibble Brand It contained the following White Rice Maize (Corn) Peas Beet Pulp Rosmary extract Carrots The New Alternative from the same company is Whole Barley Brown Rice Whole Oats Vegetables ( Spinach-Peas-Carrots Fruits Grapes- Citrus Pulp- Tomatoes Omega 3 & 6 Fatty acids Does not contain Wheat or Soy What are your thoughts on the two lots of Ingriedients and which one would you prefer
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Elliot Parker wrote 08/03/2007 06:58 AM Re: Feeding [Re: Steve Patrick ] #150570 - 08/03/2007 06:58 AM
Elliot Parker Webboard User Reg: 01-23-2006 Posts: 57 Loc: Offline	Hi Steve, I don't have much experience with dog nutrition but below is a link to an interesting article that a fellow member of this forum had posted on another forum. If you read it, it may help you make a decision on what ingredients you feel you should feed your dog. Good luck! http://dogfoods.angelfire.com/ -Elliot
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Deanna Thompson wrote 08/03/2007 07:17 AM Re: Feeding [Re: Elliot Parker ] #150571 - 08/03/2007 07:17 AM
Deanna Thompson Moderator Reg: 10-27-2001 Posts: 2261 Loc: Eastern Maine Offline	Where is the meat? The second one is an improvement by human nutrition standards, but it is still all grains. I also don't quite understand the addition of grapes to the mix, since grapes are a no-no to feed to dogs.
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Steve Behnam wrote 08/03/2007 07:52 AM Re: Feeding [Re: Deanna Thompson ] #150573 - 08/03/2007 07:52 AM
Steve Behnam Webboard User Reg: 09-06-2005 Posts: 95 Loc: Boston, MA Offline	grapeseeds are a no no to feed to dogs, grapes are ok- mostly water and sugar. Take a look at the leerburg.com page on feeding and Ed lists a number of very good kibble brands that you can feed.
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Carol Boche wrote 08/03/2007 08:06 AM Re: Feeding [Re: Steve Behnam ] #150574 - 08/03/2007 08:06 AM
Carol Boche Webboard User Reg: 10-30-2005 Posts: 4531 Loc: South Dakota, USA Offline	From what I know, grapes as a whole are a NO-NO. As are raisins and apple seeds, onions and of course.....chocolate. Until The Tale of the Lioness is told, the Story will Always Glorfy the Hunter
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Michele McAtee wrote 08/03/2007 08:08 AM Re: Feeding [Re: Steve Behnam ] #150575 - 08/03/2007 08:08 AM
Michele McAtee Webboard User Reg: 02-05-2006 Posts: 1121 Loc: Iowa City, Iowa Offline	Connie, help me out here...grapes, from my understanding are a NO for dogs and can cause kidney/renal failure. (not just the seeds) I still attribute my MoJo's kidney disease (somewhat anyway) to the grapes he ate in his formative years. Edited by Michele McAtee (08/03/2007 08:08 AM) Edit reason: spelling
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Steve Behnam wrote 08/03/2007 08:13 AM Re: Feeding [Re: Michele McAtee ] #150579 - 08/03/2007 08:13 AM
Steve Behnam Webboard User Reg: 09-06-2005 Posts: 95 Loc: Boston, MA Offline	you are correct. I misspoke about the grapes. They are poisonous over time to dogs and anything over 9 ounces can cause harm. Please disregard my previous post about the grapes.
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Brian Berry wrote 08/03/2007 09:03 AM Re: Feeding [Re: Steve Patrick ] #150581 - 08/03/2007 09:03 AM
Brian Berry Webboard User Reg: 06-06-2007 Posts: 48 Loc: Colorado Offline	If you are going to choose between the two you have listed, I would stick with the first. The second has a few questionable ingredients, but the first is pretty clear. I'm also wondering where the protein comes from?
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Johan Engelen wrote 08/03/2007 09:25 AM Re: Feeding [Re: Brian Berry ] #150582 - 08/03/2007 09:25 AM
Johan Engelen Webboard User Reg: 06-11-2005 Posts: 398 Loc: Offline	Stupid question but where is the meat?
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Yuko Blum wrote 08/03/2007 09:46 AM Re: Feeding [Re: Johan Engelen ] #150583 - 08/03/2007 09:46 AM
Yuko Blum Webboard User Reg: 11-20-2006 Posts: 1002 Loc: Offline	Not a stupid question at all Johan. That looks more like goat food than dog food to me. HORRIBLE stuff for a dog, I would NEVER feed that to any of my dogs. No carnivore can thrive on a diet of grains and plants, it's absolutely ridiculous. The company is clearly trying to come up with the cheapest possible concoction and doesn't care the slightest bit about the nutritional value and quality of the "food" it's producing. Steve, why can't you just feed raw to Charlie as you do with Fred? That's the best you could possibly offer him. And nice to see that you chose to stay around
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