Carolyn Pike Roman wrote 08/15/2007 03:39 PM glucosamine & chondroitin? #151931 - 08/15/2007 03:39 PM
Carolyn Pike Roman Webboard User Reg: 03-20-2007 Posts: 559 Loc: San Antonio, TX Offline	Is there any info on usefullness of these two supplements for young dogs? In researching the differences between canidae and chicken soup for the dog lover's soul, I found that the chicken soup Large breed incorporates these two as a sort of "preventative" measure- especially for breeds that are prone to hip problems. Are these something that would be worth incorporating elsewhere (because I'm leaning towards canidae)? My guys love the zuke's mini-naturals, and I learned that they have a treat called "hip action" that has gluc. & chon. in it. They're both about 2 yrs old; one is a gsd & the other is a gsd mix (the rescue thought he was a long haired gsd, but I have no idea).
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Connie Sutherland wrote 08/15/2007 03:57 PM Re: glucosamine & chondroitin? [Re: Carolyn Pike Roman ] #151933 - 08/15/2007 03:57 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31573 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: carolyn pike Is there any info on usefullness of these two supplements for young dogs? In researching the differences between canidae and chicken soup for the dog lover's soul, I found that the chicken soup Large breed incorporates these two as a sort of "preventative" measure- especially for breeds that are prone to hip problems. Are these something that would be worth incorporating elsewhere (because I'm leaning towards canidae)? My guys love the zuke's mini-naturals, and I learned that they have a treat called "hip action" that has gluc. & chon. in it. They're both about 2 yrs old; one is a gsd & the other is a gsd mix (the rescue thought he was a long haired gsd, but I have no idea). I don't have time right now to fully address or give you links about glucosamine as an OA supplement* (but I'm for it). But as far as the preventative part goes, for a young, healthy dog, even though that answer is not yet known, I would guess that it will be no. The best way to prevent the onset of osteoarthritis in normal joints is to ensure that they are subjected to only normal loads. JMO. But most important is this: This is a very inexpensive and easily acquired supplement -- not a reason either to choose or refuse a particular food. All JMO. *Let me know if you want material, though.
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Carolyn Pike Roman wrote 08/15/2007 04:15 PM Re: glucosamine & chondroitin? [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #151934 - 08/15/2007 04:15 PM
Carolyn Pike Roman Webboard User Reg: 03-20-2007 Posts: 559 Loc: San Antonio, TX Offline	Thanks Connie- I guess I'd kind of decided on the canidae, but wondered if the glucosamine was worth adding elsewhere (such as the zuke's). The mention of the other kibble was more because it made me wonder, lol. Thanks again for the help!
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Shody Lytle wrote 08/15/2007 04:54 PM Re: glucosamine & chondroitin? [Re: Carolyn Pike Roman ] #151941 - 08/15/2007 04:54 PM
Shody Lytle Webboard User Reg: 06-27-2007 Posts: 547 Loc: Orcutt, California Offline	I also feed canidae and like to give my dog Waggin Train Brand Chicken jerky treats. I get them at Costco. The only ingredients are chicken, natural flavoring and Glucosamine (min. 5.40mg per piece) and Chondroitin (12.8mg per piece). It looks like thin strips of breast tenders. He goes nuts for them. Does anyone else have experience with these? Shody http://www.pbase.com/shody
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Carol Boche wrote 08/15/2007 05:08 PM Re: glucosamine & chondroitin? [Re: Shody Lytle ] #151942 - 08/15/2007 05:08 PM
Carol Boche Webboard User Reg: 10-30-2005 Posts: 4531 Loc: South Dakota, USA Offline	My dogs LOVE those. Everyone gets one or maybe two every other night when they "crate" up. They are better than most other "off the shelf" treats out there. Until The Tale of the Lioness is told, the Story will Always Glorfy the Hunter
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Michael_Wise wrote 08/15/2007 10:05 PM Re: glucosamine & chondroitin? [Re: Carol Boche ] #151959 - 08/15/2007 10:05 PM
Michael_Wise Webboard User Reg: 07-10-2006 Posts: 4454 Loc: Arkansas Offline	Beef trachea is an excellent source of G/C. The USDA source that http://www.prey4pets.com/servlet/Detail?no=61 gets theirs from actually sells them to pharmaceutical companies that make G/C supplements. Just thought I would add that since you were asking about raw in another thread.
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Connie Sutherland wrote 08/15/2007 10:20 PM Re: glucosamine & chondroitin? [Re: Michael_Wise ] #151962 - 08/15/2007 10:20 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31573 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: Michael_Wise Beef trachea is an excellent source of G/C. The USDA source that http://www.prey4pets.com/servlet/Detail?no=61 gets theirs from actually sells them to pharmaceutical companies that make G/C supplements. Just thought I would add that since you were asking about raw in another thread. Can you link me to this information (not the beef trachea source)? I ask because I learned in a class that there was no useful or significant dietary source for glucosamine. If you google this phrase: dietary sources of glucosamine you'll see that what I learned appears to be pretty widespread information. Chondroitin is different, but chondroitin is not the ingredient that I believe is the primarily beneficial one in glucosamine-chondroitin supplements. (In fact, I buy glucosamine alone.) Any links about significant dietary sources of glucosamine would be good. Thanks!
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Michael_Wise wrote 08/15/2007 10:33 PM Re: glucosamine & chondroitin? [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #151963 - 08/15/2007 10:33 PM
Michael_Wise Webboard User Reg: 07-10-2006 Posts: 4454 Loc: Arkansas Offline	Quote: Connie Sutherland Any links about significant dietary sources of glucosamine would be good. Thanks! Nope. You're right. It is sourced for the chondroitin. Sorry, I should've looked deeper before posting.
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Konnie Hein wrote 08/15/2007 10:43 PM Re: glucosamine & chondroitin? [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #151966 - 08/15/2007 10:43 PM
Konnie Hein Webboard User Reg: 03-24-2006 Posts: 413 Loc: Connecticut Offline	Quote: connie sutherland If you google this phrase: dietary sources of glucosamine you'll see that what I learned appears to be pretty widespread information. Chondroitin is different, but chondroitin is not the ingredient that I believe is the primarily beneficial one in glucosamine-chondroitin supplements. (In fact, I buy glucosamine alone.) Any links about significant dietary sources of glucosamine would be good. Thanks! If you google "dietary sources of glucosamine bovine," you'll find a bunch of links to sites that mention bovine cartilage as the source for some supplements. "There are no food sources of glucosamine. Supplements are derived from either bovine cartilage or chitin, the hard outer shells of shrimp, lobsters, and crabs." please check your URL bbcode syntax!!! http://www.oxfordpress.com/l/altmed/shared/health/alt_medicine/ConsSupplements/Glucosaminecs.html Hope that answers your question! http://www.laforgemalinois.com
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Connie Sutherland wrote 08/15/2007 10:57 PM Re: glucosamine & chondroitin? [Re: Konnie Hein ] #151969 - 08/15/2007 10:57 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31573 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Right, that link and others were some of the sources we looked at in class. The point we got in the class was that there is no way to ingest enough of the sources "as is" to get significant glucosamine from them. Thanks for the additional links! Canine joint problems -- and allergies -- are areas of interest for me.
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